I need your help again lads and lassies.

[Matlock1418]

9 minutes ago, museumtom said:

O'Neill    Denis    Private    Connaught Rangers ...13/01/1918    ... Serial No: 3631/3531 [My abbreviation]

His father's dependant's pension ledger index card

Image thanks to WFA/Fold3

Another card gives his father's full name as Cornelius O'NEILL

M

[museumtom]

Thank you Matlock, a great find.

[museumtom]

On the ball, thank you kindly Alan.

[Ivor Anderson]

Does the MIC for Jeremiah O'Neill 7478 not say P o W = Prisoner of War?

Edited 5 October , 2022 by Ivor Anderson

[PaulC78]

Was just going to say, that MIC above looks like it says "POW" to me, not "DOW".

EDIT: From the POW records on FMP:

Edited 5 October , 2022 by PaulC78

[Matlock1418]

24 minutes ago, Ivor Anderson said:

Does the MIC for Jeremiah O'Neill 7478 not say P o W = Prisoner of War?

19 minutes ago, PaulC78 said:

Was just going to say, that MIC above looks like it says "POW" to me, not "DOW".

EDIT: From the POW records on FMP:

 

Thought likewise

ICRC https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/File/Details/1781165/3/2 as 74781 [but showing on one record as 7478]

M

Edit: Pension card at WFA/Fold3 as 7478 also shows he went on have a post-war 7212061 number with the Welsh [Regiment?]

Edited 5 October , 2022 by Matlock1418
image of MIC / later edit

[museumtom]

Thank you lads!

[museumtom]

Alan old buddy. I see you are heading across the Serengeti with the Wildebeest!! Focus lad, focus.

He is found, his name, posted earlier turned out to be-

O'Neill    Denis    Private    Connaught Rangers    Berehaven, County Cork    13/01/1918    A single man, died at Castletown Bere Workhouse, from trench fever pneumonia cardiac failure certified 3 weeks.    Rossmackowen Catholic Churchyard, County Cork.
Serial No: 3631/3531
Unit: 6th Battalion
Age: 20
Born: Castletownbere, County Cork
Enlisted: Cork
Next of Kin:
Grave or Memorial: About six yards East of the Church
Notes: Number listed as 3631 (Soldiers Died In The Great War) 3531 (Commonwealth War Graves Commission). Death certificate under Jeremiah Neill.

 

I have come across many incorrect death certificates, some due to alias's, some to bad writing, others to wrong information so it is not as unusual as you may think, legal and all as they are.

Kind regards.

Tom.

[Matlock1418]

15 minutes ago, ALAN MCMAHON said:

a) Trench fever-   Did this lad ever go near France, or was Trench Fever so endemic that he went down with it without ever leaving Co. Cork?

Image thanks to WFA/Fold3

15 minutes ago, ALAN MCMAHON said:

b)  Age 20 at death- and no conscription in Ireland. So an 18 year old-perhaps- enlisting with the Brits. c early 1916  or so?

Went to France and looks like he must have enlisted earlier.

M

Edited 5 October , 2022 by Matlock1418

[PaulC78]

Can we be certain that Denis wasn't an alias?

[museumtom]

Alan, Mo Sean Bláth, keep up the good work and thanks again for all you help.

Paul you could be right but no evidence so far, thank you.

Thank you Matlock for the card, I did not have it.

Sleep well all and try not to let it keep you awake too long.

Kind regards.

Tom.

[Matlock1418]

15 minutes ago, museumtom said:

Thank you Matlock for the card, I did not have it.

Denis O'Neill

Sure, well probably sure, you noticed it, but just in case [should have mentioned it earlier]  - the notes on his card indicate his medals were returned and thus not issued. ?? No kin to accept, or wanting to accept ??

M

[museumtom]

Oh I get it now, well spotted, thank you Matlock.

[museumtom]

I am working on the possibility that the lad below and the DC are the same man, but I cannot connect them, can you help please?

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F007258414%2F01451&parentid=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F7258414%2F87%2F1451

[George Rayner]

Bonjour from Canal du Midi…have you tried the newspapers for an inquest Tom?

George

[museumtom]

Good morning George Bar a' mhaidín a chara. Its wullypully time here, how's about over there? Have a great time while you can old buddy. 

I am going to have a quick look in the papers now. I was hoping folder3 might contain the date of death.

Kind regards.

Tom.

[Dai Bach y Sowldiwr]

On 02/09/2022 at 14:56, museumtom said:

Terry says the gap is too long between discharge and death

Well that argument wouldn't stand up in a court of law.

Discharged due to service induced nephritis? Dies of nephritis?

Black and white, open and shut case Tom.

[museumtom]

Ah I see Dai, you are bringing logic into the conversation. Most times it works other times not so much.

Have a great day!"

Kind regards.

Tom.

[PaulC78]

Can only find the following card for Aylward, which doesn't say much:

The service record says he was age 33 on discharge, which is slightly older than the man on your DC.

[museumtom]

Thank you kindly Paul, I did not have this. I see your point with the age though. It may not be him. 

[ss002d6252]

13 hours ago, Matlock1418 said:

Denis O'Neill

Sure, well probably sure, you noticed it, but just in case [should have mentioned it earlier]  - the notes on his card indicate his medals were returned and thus not issued. ?? No kin to accept, or wanting to accept ??

M

The war gratuity couldn't be paid out as no relative could be located.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/389311:60506?_phsrc=QDv22&_phstart=successSource&gsfn=denis&gsln=oneil&ml_rpos=4&queryId=0d8dd19c336d52c545c0f9ac7b72f6a0
Craig

[museumtom]

Thank you Craig!!

[George Rayner]

On 06/10/2022 at 08:12, museumtom said:

I am going to have a quick look in the papers now.

Morning Tom

Back from the sunny south...

i see that there are lots of newspaper reports but nothing mentions army service etc...have you got anywhere with him at all?

George

[museumtom]

Good morning old buddy, nothing new here I am sorry to say old pal. Good to have you back!

[George Rayner]

Doesn't look like any of the three brothers (Patrick, Michael, John) served as far as I can see.

George