Ivor Anderson Posted 8 March , 2023 Share Posted 8 March , 2023 49 minutes ago, Ivor Anderson said: His birth was registered in Rochdale district Q1 1893 (8e 27). The birth certificate should show the father Tom, and help confirm an Irish connection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 8 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 8 March , 2023 You should be right Ivor, but if he was illigitimate would it? Checking now. Nothing in the Irish certs Ivor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 8 March , 2023 Share Posted 8 March , 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Ivor Anderson said: His birth was registered in Rochdale district Q1 1893 (8e 27). Born Rochdale 1893. We have an Irish marriage cert for Bridget in 1890. Only hope is to check the Rochdale BC? Edited 8 March , 2023 by Ivor Anderson Additional Info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 8 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 8 March , 2023 Thank you Ivor, it is not in FMP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 8 March , 2023 Share Posted 8 March , 2023 (edited) Family Tree on Ancestry shows Bridget Early & Patrick Guckion with other family still in Ireland in 1911: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/179548479/person/312330372240/facts 1911 CENSUS: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Leitrim/Gurtnagullion/Annaghasna/653137/ Last 2 children's BCs show mother's maiden name as 'Early'. It's not her! Can't be her on 1893 Rochdale BC Edited 8 March , 2023 by Ivor Anderson Additional Info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 8 March , 2023 Share Posted 8 March , 2023 But no Michael? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 8 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 8 March , 2023 Probably not, 1901 Census-http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Leitrim/Drumsna/Lisnagea/1485056/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 8 March , 2023 Share Posted 8 March , 2023 I think his 1893 Rochdale BC, or her 1901 MC, would need ordered and checked. Otherwise it's a wild goose chase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 8 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 8 March , 2023 So it seems Ivor, time to move on I reckon. Thanks again for all your help Ivor old buddy. Now then who is next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 8 March , 2023 Share Posted 8 March , 2023 (edited) James Guckion b. Rochdale Q4 1894, died Q3 1896 aged 1 (Ancestry) Bridget died Q4 1897 aged 1. Born Q4 1896 Rochdale Bridget's 1st husband? John Guckion died Q2 1899 - same as his father? Born Q1 1899 All registered in 'Castleton Nearer' sub-district, Rochdale Edited 8 March , 2023 by Ivor Anderson Additional Info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 8 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 8 March , 2023 Sounds damned interesting, needs more digging, I am on it. Nope, nothing in the Irish DC's. Thank you for the update Ivor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 18 March , 2023 Share Posted 18 March , 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, museumtom said: can you help to unravel this please? Death Certificate Peter Folan.pdf 288.44 kB · 5 downloads Peter Folan for Terry.pdf 983.77 kB · 7 downloads Peter FOLAN, C 1782, RNR [or 1782C] - Pension cards also record as FOLON DC has death 19 December 1919 - Intestinal Obstruction, 14 Days Post-operative shock - as also shown on the second PDF above A naval record like that seems to call for the likes of @horatio2 and/or @KizmeRD to scour and interpret [Other experts may perhaps be available - hard to believe though!] M Edited 18 March , 2023 by Matlock1418 folon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 18 March , 2023 Share Posted 18 March , 2023 5 hours ago, museumtom said: his widow put in for a pension Just a small observation = Perhaps not widow claiming but son, as is indicated on several pension cards - Martin FOLAN One card with Martin FOLAN's name on it records: Claim is made by the man's son but there is no evidence that the widow - Mary, is deceased [Mary is underlined on the card] M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 18 March , 2023 Share Posted 18 March , 2023 1 hour ago, Matlock1418 said: Just a small observation = Perhaps not widow claiming but son, as is indicated on several pension cards - Martin FOLAN One card with Martin FOLAN's name on it records: Claim is made by the man's son but there is no evidence that the widow - Mary, is deceased [Mary is underlined on the card] Peter FOLAN, C 1782, RNR [or 1782C] - Pension cards also record as FOLON Just to add that these cards appear to have printer's marks of 9/29 and 5/30 [latter annotated 8/30 and 9/30 too with the additional surname of FOLON] so potentially seems a later pension claim by Martin FOLAN/FOLON. There is a further Peter FOLON pension ledger page, it uses 1782E, seemingly an earlier claim by Mary FOLON with a printer's mark of 4/24 and annotations Feb 25 to Sep30 45 minutes ago, museumtom said: Rather suggest Mary FOLAN/FOLON was alive in 1920/21 and 1925. So what happened between 1925 and 1930? M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 19 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 19 March , 2023 You really know your stuff Matlock, thank you Kindly. I really have nothing else to add, sorry except that Peter had two sons named Peter, one died in infancy and the next son they had they named him Peter also. Thanks again Matlock, this was never going to be an easy task. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 19 March , 2023 Share Posted 19 March , 2023 8 hours ago, museumtom said: Father of Martin, John, Peter (first one born 1910, died 1911, Sorry I'm a bit slow catching up on this one Tom and Matlock... but how could deceased one year old make a pension claim for his father 8 years after his own death? George PS Well done Ireland on the rugby yesterday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 19 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 19 March , 2023 Thank you George, and good morning. It was a good night for us to be sure. I can see you have not fully read my post. his son Peter was born in 1910 and died in 1911, the next son he had in 1913 he also named Peter. It must be the living son Peter and not the dead one that looked for the pension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 19 March , 2023 Share Posted 19 March , 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, George Rayner said: but how could deceased one year old make a pension claim for his father 8 years after his own death? I'd probably be better to leave the full explanation to Tom but I think he was saying there were two sons called Peter and the first of these was born 1910 and died 1911 - leaving Martin still alive to claim a pension Edit: As Tom has just explained/confirmed 2 minutes ago, museumtom said: It must be the living son Peter and not the dead one that looked for the pension. Martin claimed a pension - no evidence [yet?] that he got one. M Edited 19 March , 2023 by Matlock1418 edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 19 March , 2023 Share Posted 19 March , 2023 11 hours ago, museumtom said: Martin, John, Peter (first one born 1910, died 1911, second Peter born 1913, Michael and Thomas Ahh! Peter b 1910 d 1911 Peter b 1913 Martin b ? and claiming a pension in 19?? Michael b 1919 Thomas b 1919 George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 19 March , 2023 Share Posted 19 March , 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Matlock1418 said: Martin claimed a pension - no evidence [yet?] that he got one. A son only eligible until aged 16 [typically, or up to 21 under special, usually educational, circumstances]. 23 minutes ago, museumtom said: Martin FOLAN, b. 1907, seems very unlikely to have got a pension in 1930! M Edited 19 March , 2023 by Matlock1418 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 19 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 19 March , 2023 He was big for his age? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 19 March , 2023 Share Posted 19 March , 2023 54 minutes ago, museumtom said: He was big for his age? Or perhaps better - very small. M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 19 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 19 March , 2023 Now you got it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 18 July , 2023 Share Posted 18 July , 2023 Did he return to Ireland before death? 2 Pension card mention a Mrs Johanna Donohue. Could this be him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 18 July , 2023 Author Share Posted 18 July , 2023 It surely could Ivan. I hear a death certificate has been reduced to 2.50, can you post a link please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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