I need your help again lads and lassies.

[museumtom]

Thank you kindly lads. Ye are on the ball lads and following the same trail as meself. His records says he was awarded the QSA so I am looking for that.

[museumtom]

 

Notice in his earlier records his discharge address is in Liverpool.

[davidbohl]

There is a link to Liverpool, a Joseph Brian. He may be the witness Joseph Brien on sisters wedding

1914 gores

 

 

[museumtom]

I like your thinking, thank you David.

Here is all I have at the moment.

• Carlow 19/03/1915, occupation on enlistment-groom.
• Next of Kin: A single man. Brother of Mary Moran, Fair Green, Tullow, County Carlow. Mary's marriage cert in 1890 gives her fathers name as Andrew Brien, labourer, Barrack Street, Carlow. His mother Anne Brien, nee McDarby died at Tullow Green, on 18/11/1892 from diabetes aged 63.
• Grave or Memorial: Ford Cemetery in Liverpool
• Notes: Also served in the Boer War with the Dragoons of the Line, 1st Dragoon Guards. In his Boer War records his age on discharge is given as 41 in 1906. On discharge he was going to work as a Railway Porter and lived at 348 Westminster Road, Kirkdale, Liverpool

[davidbohl]

might be worth a punt on this GRO

BRIAN, ANDREW	47
GRO Reference: 1918  M Quarter in BIRKENHEAD

[davidbohl]

58 minutes ago, museumtom said:

Railway Porter and lived at 348 Westminster Road, Kirkdale, Liverpool

Name	Joseph William Crosby
Residence Year	1906-1907
Street Address	348 Westminster Road
Residence Place	Lancashire, England
Electoral District	Liverpool, Kirkdale

 

Probaby just the address of his digs

 

[museumtom]

Thank you lads, all good stuff. The lateral thinking is paying off.

Kind regards.,

Tom.

 

Edited 23 July , 2023 by museumtom

[PaulC78]

Hi Tom, can only find the following death in England & Wales:

Name George F P Cork
Death Age 34
Birth Date abt 1886
Registration Date Jan 1920 [Feb 1920] [Mar 1920]
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district Marylebone
Inferred County London
Volume 1a
Page 722

[museumtom]

That has to be him, thank you kindly Paul. I could not find anything on his death except in Fold3.

[PaulC78]

8 hours ago, museumtom said:

...and who doesn't like an ould mystery eh?

 What do you make of this please?

Looks like this man, probably just an error with the name and service number:

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/169309/michael-john-dowling/

[PaulC78]

6 hours ago, museumtom said:

I am trying to ascertain if these two are the same man, can you help please?

I would say so. He's on my list so I've looked at him before, but I wasn't able to make a case for commemoration.

Edited 24 July , 2023 by PaulC78

[museumtom]

Thank you kindly Paul, I can see we are singing from the same hymn sheet.

[PaulC78]

Sorry Tom, can't add anything to this one. Certainly looks like the same man given his age and location.

[museumtom]

Y'know I nearly sure of it, thank you Paul.

[museumtom]

Hello again all.

 I am trying to join this all together, but the critical clues elude me, can you help please?

Look at this last, after you read all that consider this lad?

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F007266488%2F00648&parentid=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F7266488%2F50%2F648

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Carlow_Urban/Bridewell_Lane/310778/

[PaulC78]

Hmmm, the date of death on the pension card matches the DC, and if he was 51 in 1920 that means he was born around 1869. But according to that service record, he enlisted in 1876 age 17, so born around 1859. However, date of discharge on the pension card (18/1/1888) is the same as the service record, and I don't see any evidence that he served after that date. I'd suggest that it's the same man but with an incorrect age on the DC.

[museumtom]

Thank you kindly Paul. To show the age difference, have a look at the 1901 and 1911 Census, he is 40 in both?

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Carlow_Urban/Bridewell_Lane/310778/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Carlow/Bridewell_lane/1040550/

[museumtom]

Death of his 1st wife. 

[PaulC78]

Same age in 1901 and 1911, assuming it's the same man. Maybe he shaved 10 years off his age when he remarried?

[PaulC78]

On 18/07/2023 at 13:58, PaulC78 said:

I've checked Ancestry and they have a burial record for Thomas Donohoe at Frimley (St. Peter) Churchyard in Surrey, age 21 and buried on 11 Jan 1916. Seems to correspond to Ivor's death record above.

A couple of people have been in touch with me via Find-a-Grave to say that he isn't in any of the church records at Frimley. That contradicts the burial register on Ancestry, so I don't know. There doesn't appear to be a headstone for him in any case. Perhaps one for the CWGC to sort out if things go that far.

[museumtom]

Thank you Paul. I will keep on it.

Kind rergards.

Tom.

[PaulC78]

On 23/07/2023 at 17:11, PaulC78 said:

Burial was at Ford Cemetery in Liverpool on 11/3/1918, he died at Victoria Central Hospital, Wallasey, and appears to have a private grave. I'll look for a headstone next time I'm there just in case.

I found the grave for Andrew Brian (plot 2A.180) and there is a small headstone there, but no inscription for your man. The only names are Michael Connaughey (died 1905, age 50) and Annie Connaughey (died 1912, age 62). Presumably they were relatives, and I'm guessing brother and sister rather than husband and wife. Annie appears to have been working as a domestic servant in 1901 and 1911, I can't find much on Michael but both appear to have been born in Liverpool.

[museumtom]

Hello Paul. I greatly appreciate the effort you went to to find this lad. I will do a bit more digging and if I find anything new I will come back to you.

Thanks again Paul!.

Kind regards.

Tom.

[George Rayner]

15 minutes ago, museumtom said:

to find this lad.

Hi Tom

Where are the details for this mystery man please? I know they are here somewhere...

George

[museumtom]

Hello George.

I hide the images after we pass them by to reduce bandwith. Here is Brian/Brien-

Brian/Brien    ,     Andrew    .     (Carlow).     R4/066366    .     Date of death:     07/03/1918    .     Age:      43    .     Born:      Staplestown Road, Carlow, 31/12/1866. Son of Andrew and Anne (nee McDarby) Brien.    .     Enlisted:      Carlow 19/03/1915, occupation on enlistment-groom.    .     Residence:      Fair Green, Tullow, County Carlow    .     Death:      Died after discharge at Victoria Central Hospital, Merseyside, Liverpool. Discharged being no longer physically fit for war service on 12/10/1917-dilation of the stomach (neoplasen). Not the result of but aggravated by war service.    .     Next of kin, etc:      A single man. Brother of Mary Moran, Fair Green, Tullow, County Carlow. Mary's marriage cert in 1890 gives her fathers name as Andrew Brien, labourer, Barrack Street, Carlow. His mother Anne Brien, nee McDarby died at Tullow Green, on 18/11/1892 from diabetes aged 63.    .     Newspapers/Books etc:          ***        ***        ***        ***        ***        ***        ***        ***        ***        ***    Notes-     Also served in the Boer War with the Dragoons of the Line, 1st Dragoon Guards. In his Boer War records his age on discharge is given as 41 in 1906. On discharge he was going to work as a Railway Porter and lived at 348 Westminster Road, Kirkdale, Liverpool    .     Grave/Memorial:          .     Cemetery:       Unknown but possibly Ford Cemetery in Liverpool.