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Sorry Craig. Give me a mo...

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3 minutes ago, museumtom said:

Sorry Craig. Give me a mo...

Easily done ! From your side, it's hard to tell there's anything wrong.

Craig

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I just noticed something, his death certificate says he was unmarried. Perhaps it might not be him? This is a real toughie.

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Morning all

Perhaps this is his family in 1901 Irish Census in FMP

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE/C1901/9126375

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Age Birth year Birth place
John Callaghan
Head of family
Married 70 1831 Cork
Mary Callaghan
Wife
Married 63 1838 Cork
John Callaghan
Son
Single 29 1872 Cork
Timothy Callaghan
Visitor
Single 64 1837 Cork

George

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And maybe this man

 

 

 
First name(s)  John
Attestation corps  3rd Battalion Rl Muns Fusrs Regiment
Last name  Callaghan
Document type  Attestation
Birth year  1871
Archive reference  WO 96
Birth parish  Kilgarry
Series  Wo 96 - Militia Service Records 1806-1915
Birth town  Clonakilty
Box  1206
Birth county  Cork
Box record number  108
Birth country  Ireland
Archive  The National Archives
Service number  1952
Country  Ireland
Regiment  Royal Munster Fusiliers
Record set  British Army Service Records
Year  1891
Category  Military, armed forces & conflict
Attestation date  18 Sep 1891
Subcategory  Regimental & Service Records
Attestation age years  20
Collections from  Great Britain, UK Other
Attestation service number  1952

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBM%2FWO96%2F1206%2F1601266

Courtesy Find My Past

George

 

 

 

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I like where you are going with this George, thank you. my FMP is still offline though.

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Fold3 has the docs for the 3/1952. Served in RMF Militia and discharged terminanation of engagement 1897. Docs do not show any NoK.

What about this chap. Right DoD and RMF340001780_CallaghanJohn(4854).jpg.6f818e24eabbf07ae2457fd8be9274a1.jpg. Looking for other records. Image courtesy of Fold3

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There are 3 cards but none give an address.

He has an MIC. To France 3/1/15. His medals were returned in Nov 1923. Discharged Medically unfit 25/6/15 according to medal roll. 2 RMF. The 2RMF were already in France on 3/1/15.

 

 

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Good man Mark! On the ball, thank you kindly, a great find. If could not have been easy to tease that one out, but I reckon you have it right!

I just found this.

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3 hours ago, George Rayner said:

Morning all

Perhaps this is his family in 1901 Irish Census in FMP

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE/C1901/9126375

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Age Birth year Birth place
John Callaghan
Head of family
Married 70 1831 Cork
Mary Callaghan
Wife
Married 63 1838 Cork
John Callaghan
Son
Single 29 1872 Cork
Timothy Callaghan
Visitor
Single 64 1837 Cork

George

The age and town is bang on George, thank you.

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FWR have a transcribed record and this has led me to edit out the ref to Callaghan being a regular. Seems he was 50 and spent a few days in France

Callaghan Age: 50, 4 months service, Admitted 8/1/15. Notes written in the Observations Column: Reinforcements told permenantly unfit to go home, but not admitted this day. Roman Catholic. Entry crossed through on original data source.

Ref: MH106/881 MH106/881 can be found at The National Archives in Kew, and contains First World War Representative Medical Records of No. 2 General Hospital: 04/01/1915 to 03/12/1915. British Other Ranks. No. 2 General Hospital at QUAI D'ÉSCALE, HAVRE Ser: 86-394 and Transfers Ser: 1-392.

Looks doubtful he ever got as far as the 2RMF. Probably turned round and sent home

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Most excellent finds Mark, thank you very much indeed!!

Kindest regards.

Tom.

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Thank you Craig, much appreciated.

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  • 1 month later...

May we ask for your help yet once again please lads and lassies? it is last chance saloon for this ex-soldier. Try as we might we cannot find anything at all on him, so we may have to pass him by, can you help please?

Joseph Love, from Newtowncunningham, Letterkenny, County Donegal. A single man, died after discharge to the reserve on 27/06/1916 at Letterkenny Asylum from pulmonary tuberculosis of the lungs. A single man.

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This may be him in the Census.

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38 on 27 June 1916 would point to a birth c.1877/8. A Joseph Love was born in Dame St. Enniskillen on 20 Dec 1877. Father Joseph, mother Mary (irishgenealogy.ie):

Another Joseph Love was born in Strabane district 8th April 1876, but he would be 40 in June 1916. Possibly an Inniskilling Fusiliers connection?

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Thank you Ivor, great observations!

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Tricky one. Cannot find a military record at the moment but a Joseph Love was committed to the Lunatic Asylum at Letterkenny in 1907.  The incident happened at Ballyhaskey yards away from Newton Cunningham. This Joseph asked someone to shoot him. This seems to fit the few known facts and if it is he was very unlikely to be involved with WW1. 

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=IRE%2FPETTYS%2F005174282%2F00215&parentid=IRE%2FPETTYS%2F005174282%2F00215%2F2396908

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There is a Joseph Love from Enniskillen who joined the RDF - 5436 -  in 1895 on a 7/5 enlistment aged 18. He declares previous service in the Donegal Artillery Militia in which still serving. He has QSA and KSA. The QSA with several clasps including Relief of Ladysmith. Spends 4 years in South Africa and another in the East Indies. To reserve March 1903. He is discharged 1/7/1907 from the reserve as medically unfit for further service. This is about a month after the above man's committal and before his reserve term should expire.

His Nok is his sister Sarah Ellen Love who has an address of Strabane Convent.

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fwo97%2f5363%2f117%2f001&parentid=gbm%2fwo97%2f5363%2f938054

So we have a soldier who declares service in Donegal militia but is originally from Enniskillen. Is he the same chap that gets committed to Letterkenny Asylum? All very circumstantial.

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Thank you kindly Mark, circumstantial but lots to consider. The lad in the asylum sounds like our guy to be honest. That was stunning Mark, you are like a dog with a bone and we are the beneficiaries of such dedication.

Thank you kindly for all your hard work. 

Kindest regards.

Tom.

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16 hours ago, Mark1959 said:

Sarah Ellen Love who has an address of Strabane Convent.

Burial 1902 Donegal Abbey.

No other sign of her...

George

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On the ball George! Thank you for that.

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He had an older sister, Sarah Ellen - b.13 Jan 1882 in Enniskillen (IG.ie). Parents were married in Enniskillen 17 April 1873. Cabinetmaker was a skilled job.

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Thank you Ivor, well found indeed!

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