museumtom Posted 26 May , 2022 Author Share Posted 26 May , 2022 Next one please lads and lassies Healy William Private Irish Guards Culleens, Ballina, County Mayo 22/07/1917 Died at Peamount Sanitorium, from pulmonary tuberculosis 12 months cardiac syncope 4 hours certified. Unknown Serial No: 10159 Unit: 3rd (Reserve) Battalion Age: 33 Born: Mayo Enlisted: Caterham, Surrey Next of Kin: Son of Pater and Mary Healy. Brother of Bridget, Lizzie, John, Ellan, Peter, Mary, Annie, Kate and Sarah Healy. Listed in the 1901 Census at Culleens, Ballina, County Mayo. Grave or Memorial: Notes: Died 2 months after discharge. Discharged at London, on 14 May 1917, No longer fit for war service. Occupation on enlistment-Royal Irish Consrabulary Constable. Address on enlistment-R.I.C. Barracks, Mountbellew, Galway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 26 May , 2022 Share Posted 26 May , 2022 48 minutes ago, museumtom said: unlikely to become an efficient soldier has the least chance of being accepted. This 'unlikely to become an efficient soldier' could sometimes be stretched to being unlikely due to fitness [medical?] shortcomings - certainly I've seen that [but cannot now recall exactly where :-( - but linked to my pensions enquiries = discharged as 'unlikely' and then awarded a pension. IIRC it was an older man who ended up with a pension for Debility] M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 26 May , 2022 Author Share Posted 26 May , 2022 Thanks Matlock, in my experience it was soldiers who did not make it through the basic soldiering course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 26 May , 2022 Share Posted 26 May , 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, museumtom said: in my experience it was soldiers who did not make it through the basic soldiering course. Agreed, 'Unlikely to become an efficient soldier' was a common reason for discharge in such cases but causation might have been at the militry's door, but hard to prove. 1 hour ago, museumtom said: Healy William Private Irish Guards Culleens, Ballina, County Mayo 22/07/1917 Died at Peamount Sanitorium, from pulmonary tuberculosis 12 months cardiac syncope 4 hours certified. Unknown Serial No: 10159 Unit: 3rd (Reserve) Battalion Age: 33 Born: Mayo Enlisted: Caterham, Surrey Next of Kin: Son of Pater and Mary Healy. Brother of Bridget, Lizzie, John, Ellan, Peter, Mary, Annie, Kate and Sarah Healy. Listed in the 1901 Census at Culleens, Ballina, County Mayo. Grave or Memorial: Notes: Died 2 months after discharge. Discharged at London, on 14 May 1917, No longer fit for war service. Occupation on enlistment-Royal Irish Consrabulary Constable. Address on enlistment-R.I.C. Barracks, Mountbellew, Galway. William HEALY, 10159, 3rd Batt. Irish Guards A WFA/Fold3 pension card shows he was awarded a 27/6 pw pension from 15.5.17 to 13.11.17 [that was a 100% disabled rate which was very consistent with a discharge with TB, as they didn't want sufferers going out to work & mixing with the wider population = but not proof/provable from that card though] Unfortunately his pension awards file destroyed 20/3/25 M Edited 26 May , 2022 by Matlock1418 was awarded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 26 May , 2022 Author Share Posted 26 May , 2022 Thank you Matlock, nice find. So close but yet so far away. Onward and upward we go...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 26 May , 2022 Author Share Posted 26 May , 2022 Next is Christopher Hemp, listed in the 1911 Census as an army pensioner but he may have joined up for the war later. I just wonder if he had war service please? http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Kingstown_No__3/Patrick_Street__West_Side/94379/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 26 May , 2022 Author Share Posted 26 May , 2022 Another possible. Higgins Edward Rathfarnham, County Dublin 23/07/1917 Died at Peamount Sanitorium, from Pulmonary Tuberculosis 17 months Cardiac Syncope certified Unknown Serial No: Unit: Age: 51 Born: Enlisted: Next of Kin: A married man. Grave or Memorial: Notes: One the untraceable soldiers who died at Peamount Sanitorium. After extensive searches there is no record of his military service. I also include this soldier with the Dublin men as that is where he died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 26 May , 2022 Share Posted 26 May , 2022 3 hours ago, George Rayner said: Healy did have 21 years service, 4 Good conduct badges, Long Service, Queen's SA medal with four clasps... but didn't get a war gratuity as he had less than 6 months service! According to Soldier's effects George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 26 May , 2022 Share Posted 26 May , 2022 1 hour ago, museumtom said: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Kingstown_No__3/Patrick_Street__West_Side/94379/ This shows Christopher Hemp to be 45-they were less than accurate on the Death register if they have him as 43 as he may have been 51-or he lied! George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 26 May , 2022 Author Share Posted 26 May , 2022 31 minutes ago, George Rayner said: but didn't get a war gratuity as he had less than 6 months service! According to Soldier's effects George Nice find George, so he did have WW1 service then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 26 May , 2022 Share Posted 26 May , 2022 It's from Ancestry-mis-labelled as J Healy, Leicestershire Regiment. (That is a common mistype-Leinster often listed as Leicester) https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/719323:60506?tid=&pid=&queryId=709112669e339762f80ae24305fd7135&_phsrc=hZE2167&_phstart=successSource George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 26 May , 2022 Share Posted 26 May , 2022 27 minutes ago, museumtom said: Nice find George, so he did have WW1 service then? Yes. Under 6 months and never overseas (otherwise, the 6-month minimum didn't apply). Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 26 May , 2022 Author Share Posted 26 May , 2022 (edited) Excellent finds George and Craig we now have so much more information than we had before. Thank you kindly for your diligence and finds! Edited 26 May , 2022 by museumtom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 27 May , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 May , 2022 Can you help with this one please guys and gals. I want to put him forward again but I need more info and I cannot find his records on FMP. He looks so good. Thank you for all your help. Kenneally Michael Gunner Royal Garrison Artillery 2 Main Street, Midleton, County Cork 01/10/1917 Died at the workhouse Midleton, from carcinoma of tongue certified. Unknown Serial No: 3201 Unit: No 2 Depot Age: 40 Born: St Finbarrs, Cork Enlisted: Fishguard, South Wales Next of Kin: Son of Michael and Ellen Kenneally, brother of James, Lizzey, Minna Kenneally, Boston, Massachusetts, and John Kenneally, 35 Evergreen Road, Cork. Grave or Memorial: Notes: Died after discharge. Discharged on 07/06/1917, physically unfit for war service-new growth malignant, larnyx. Also served with the Royal Munster Fusiliers in the Boer and in India and Mauritius. Occupation on enlistment-sailor. Put forward to the 'In From The Cold Project' on 26/04/2019 and accepted. Update-rejected on 26/02/2021 Reason given-insufficient evidence it is the same man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 27 May , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 May , 2022 Possibly this guy. https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO97%2F5273%2F042%2F001&parentid=GBM%2FWO97%2F5273%2F921955 https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBM%2FSILVERWAR%2FBADGES%2F64789 https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F007276540%2F01488&parentid=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F7276540%2F139%2F1488 Critical page. https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fwo363-4%2f007276540%2f01495&parentid=gbm%2fwo363-4%2f7276540%2f139%2f1488 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 27 May , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 May , 2022 I think I put this lad forward in the pre folder3 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 27 May , 2022 Share Posted 27 May , 2022 Michael KENNEALLY, Gunner, Royal Garrison Artillery, 3201 Unfortunately WFA/Fold3 don't appear to have any other info on two pension cards - though the cards and claim reference numbers were raised apparently No claim forthcoming M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 27 May , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 May , 2022 Thank you Matlock, I was hoping it had the date of death on it. Thank you for trying just the same. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 27 May , 2022 Share Posted 27 May , 2022 On his SWB entry he joined up 10-11-11 so may have another number George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 27 May , 2022 Share Posted 27 May , 2022 Fold3 Therefore in November 1911-date on form-he was a sailor but had previous service with RA (RGA) of 12 years but had been an Army Reserve absentee so refused admission to army 16th April 1910. Initial service would be around late 1890s? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 27 May , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 May , 2022 Thank you George, all good stuff. I'll send what I have and give him one final chance. Terry is busy for the weekend so it will be Monday before I hear back. Thank you all for your help, it is in the lap of ye Gods now. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 30 May , 2022 Author Share Posted 30 May , 2022 Good morning all! Some good news to start the week, Kenneally was accepted this morning. Thank you to all concerned for enabling this unfortunate to qualify! Kindest regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 30 May , 2022 Share Posted 30 May , 2022 What a great piece of news Tom George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 30 May , 2022 Share Posted 30 May , 2022 There was no real doubt that the death and the soldier related to one and the same person. Great result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 30 May , 2022 Author Share Posted 30 May , 2022 Great news and great result is right. I think Mr T forgot the first time I put him forward. It has worked like that in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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