Mark1959 Posted 16 September , 2020 Share Posted 16 September , 2020 Looking for documentation. The back of the pension card is indicative that it may be the same man. This entry dated 22/1/21 states: "Cancel Allow from end of week in which the man died". A previous entry of 1/10/20 puts his disability at 60% There is therefore a strong indication that 87495 died somewhen between the dates of the two entries. Always worth looking at the reverse We have the additional issues why a man from Charleville died 100+ miles away in Wexford. If he died in Charleville I think Terry might have thought the case proven. Seems to be nothing on 87495 apart from the card. Search of irish newspapers on FMP reveals nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 16 September , 2020 Share Posted 16 September , 2020 Is this a previous enlistment for 87495. Note the address. Father James. From Castleharrison, Charleville. Right age Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 16 September , 2020 Author Share Posted 16 September , 2020 Thank you very much Mark. If you cannot find it it does not exist. Oh how I wish Himself would accept strong indications, or therefores. It would make things so much easier but also prone to mistakes. I can understand both sides. Thank you for the latest recors that certainly seems to be him. The problem is does the deocumentiation show that the man in the death cert is the same as the man in folder3 and your records (which is great by the way, thank you for that)? Let us see what happens when I send him your link. Fingers crossed. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 16 September , 2020 Share Posted 16 September , 2020 Looks like (O')Leary was married after discharge - when his wife claimed as a widow in 1921 she was refused (so again, we know that #87495 died before Feb 1921). https://www.fold3.com/image/669348128?terms=1019,87495 Perhaps the marriage cert might add something Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 16 September , 2020 Author Share Posted 16 September , 2020 Thank you Craig. Try as I might I have not been able t nail down the marriage cert. Mark your link is for a private in the RIRegt. No 9863. Is there a connection please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 16 September , 2020 Share Posted 16 September , 2020 (edited) 9863 was turfed out as not likely to become an efficient soldier after a month. So theory is he subsequently enlisted as 87495. If that is right I can start trying to search the family and see if there is any link to Wexford. There is a poss in 1901 as Leary in Castleharrison Hannah 40 Stephen 8 William 6 Cornelius 5 Father James not mentioned Edited 16 September , 2020 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 16 September , 2020 Author Share Posted 16 September , 2020 Thank you very much Mark. A good case but it really has to be black and white, mores the pity. I really do appreciate your help, this was never goign to be an easy one. he will be remembered with the Irishmen just the dame. Kindest regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 7 November , 2020 Author Share Posted 7 November , 2020 Hello lads and lassies. I am here again asking for you help. Myself and George have been beaten trying to nail this mans military service. His dc says a disabled soldier, died from injury to spine on active service 3 years certified. His wife Ellen Kelly, Tatnaclave, County Monaghan was present at death. Can you help please. Here is all we have so far. Born in Fermanagh, listed in the 1901 (as a single man) and 1911 in Monaghan. Kelly , James . (Monaghan). Rank- . Regiment/Service;- One of the unfindable soldiers who died after discharge. After extensive searches there is no record of his military service. . Unit;- . Ser No;- . Date of death;- 27/09/1919 . Age;- 38 . Born;- County Fermanagh . Enlisted;- . Residence;- Tatnaclave, County Monaghan-death certificate. . Death;- Died after discharge, a disabled soldier, from injury to spine on active service 3 years certified. His wife Ellen Kelly, Tatnaclave, County Monaghan was present at death. . Next of kin, etc;- Listed in the 1911 Census at Aghaclay, Drumhillagh, County Monaghan, with his wife Ellen (nee Keely) and their children Patrick, John and James. Children born after the 1911 Census are Rosaleen, 1912, Edward 1912, died in 1914, James Kelly, 19, labourer, son of James Kelly, labourer, Liscumiskey, County Monaghan married Ellen Keely, Corlick, Aghabog, daughter of Patrick Keely, farmer, at Aghabog Church on 06/07/1901.Grave/Memorial;- . Cemetery;- Unknown . http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Monaghan/Drumhillagh/Aghaclay/809829/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 7 November , 2020 Share Posted 7 November , 2020 (edited) 17461 Royal Irish Fusilliers looks like your man. Widow Ellen and case opened in Oct 1919. https://www.fold3.com/image/669046787?xid=1022 Discharged 3/9/17. Born on card 1881. Correct age https://www.fold3.com/image/644946009?xid=1022 Clerks and ancestry have got spelling of Tatnaclave wrong. Looking for anything more edit ROYAL IRISH FUSILIERS Edited 7 November , 2020 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 7 November , 2020 Author Share Posted 7 November , 2020 Excellent, thank you Mark, a great find. I always suspected he was either Inniskillings, or R.I.Fusiliers. They were popular units in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 7 November , 2020 Share Posted 7 November , 2020 (edited) Sorry it’s Royal Irish Fusiliers. Edited previous post SWB records suggest discharged due to sickness rather than wounds Service from 5/1/15 Edited 7 November , 2020 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 8 November , 2020 Author Share Posted 8 November , 2020 Thank you very much indeed Mark. I am hoping that his dc might be good enough on its own to have him accepted. Kindest regards from a very grateful Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 8 November , 2020 Share Posted 8 November , 2020 (edited) Suffered contusion to the chest whilst serving with 2 RIF in mid-1916 after 15 months service and 11 months overseas. MIC says 1/4/15 entry. Medal rolls add nothing useful. There is a third WFA Pension card but again nothing useful The reverse of https://www.fold3.com/image/644946009 shows he was in receipt of pension and his widow got a small allowance thereafter. I have added a tag to the address field to one of the cards to show Tatnaclave as the relative's address Edited 8 November , 2020 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 14 November , 2020 Author Share Posted 14 November , 2020 Sorry for not coming back sooner Mark, I do apologise, I was not notified there was a further post. Many thanks for all your most valuable help. Very much appreciated. Kindest regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 24 November , 2020 Author Share Posted 24 November , 2020 (edited) We came across this officer and cannot find him, and are hoping you can help please?. He is not the Richard Brinsley Sheridan that died with the R.D.F. in 1916, nor the one who died during the Boer War. I reckon he may have been with the Connaught Rangers, or Indian Army. His birth cert, below is 1873, in Tonagh, County Cavan. There are Brinsley-Sheridans in Tonagh in the 1901 Census and they are listed as just Sheridans in 1911. He may be this officer. His death cert. Edited 24 November , 2020 by museumtom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbohl Posted 24 November , 2020 Share Posted 24 November , 2020 (edited) Is this an good Tom? Dave Edited 24 November , 2020 by davidbohl resigns comm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 24 November , 2020 Author Share Posted 24 November , 2020 (edited) Good man David, the bottom one looks like our lad, thank you for finding him. Is there a date on the bottom newspaper item please? Edited 24 November , 2020 by museumtom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 24 November , 2020 Author Share Posted 24 November , 2020 OK David, I got it, LG. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbohl Posted 24 November , 2020 Share Posted 24 November , 2020 1 hour ago, museumtom said: date on the bottom newspaper Belfast News 24th Apr 1915 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 24 November , 2020 Author Share Posted 24 November , 2020 Excellent, thank you David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 28 November , 2020 Author Share Posted 28 November , 2020 I need your help again guys. This soldier is evading all efforts to nail him, to establish who he is. We reckon he may be William Hoare, 4784, belonging to the Connaughts and born in Tiverton, but it is all just supposition at this stage. he could be anyone from any unit. Can you help please? https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fwo363-4%2f007391227%2f00473&parentid=gbm%2fwo363-4%2f7391227%2f23%2f472 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 28 November , 2020 Share Posted 28 November , 2020 1 hour ago, museumtom said: I need your help again guys. This soldier is evading all efforts to nail him, to establish who he is. We reckon he may be William Hoare, 4784, belonging to the Connaughts and born in Tiverton, but it is all just supposition at this stage. he could be anyone from any unit. Can you help please? https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fwo363-4%2f007391227%2f00473&parentid=gbm%2fwo363-4%2f7391227%2f23%2f472 Hospital register on FMP shows 4784 Hoare was 35 in 1916 so the age doesn't match the dead man from 1920.https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=S2%2FGBM%2FMH106%2FMH106-1268%2F0012&parentid=GBM%2FMH106%2FP2%2F023582 Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 28 November , 2020 Author Share Posted 28 November , 2020 Excellent, thank you Craig. Much appreciated. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 28 November , 2020 Share Posted 28 November , 2020 (edited) William Hore 8938 RDF https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/127680405/william-hore https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/663070/WILLIAM HORE/ SWB on fmp Brother https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/1753920/JOSEPH HOARE/ Pension card links both Here Edited 28 November , 2020 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 28 November , 2020 Author Share Posted 28 November , 2020 Well fair play to you Mark, thank you very much indeed. A great find. He is elusive no longer. Very much appreciated. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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