4thGordons Posted 26 February , 2022 Share Posted 26 February , 2022 Already shared this number by PM but another one followed me home: Blade is in very nice condition (and re the other thread discussion - does appear to have been sharpened). Scabbard is replacement metal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 27 February , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 February , 2022 On 23/02/2022 at 23:14, t.ryan said: JMB, On page 216 of my copy of M J Brayley,s 2004 "Bayonets, An Illustrated History" is a very clear photo of Siamese bayonet No 1889 along with its metal scabbard, a survivor for sure. Seen it before but did not realize it was not on list and was not sure if permitted to post photo. Cheers TR Yes, they do sometimes hide in plain sight....... Regards, JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.ryan Posted 27 February , 2022 Share Posted 27 February , 2022 JMB, A very wet time we are having on the east coast of Aussie. here, big floods in the Brisbane , Qld. area and it is heading down the coast towards us in N.S.W.. A good time to catch up on some home work. A little information I received the other day when I asked a well known former Kingaroy, Qld. Lee Infield dealer/collector chap about the Siamese bayonets. He remembers that Sherry's Disposals in Brisbane imported both Siamese rifles & bayonets in the early 70's but were selling them as Indian marked and were selling them for $50. They were very in rough condition. At the same time you could buy a near mint late 40's S.M.L.E. Lithgow rifle for $45. He was in Thailand in 1991 trying to track down some Siamese 1920 bayonets but they were then very rare/scarce over there and were asking $100 au. for any found. At the same time in Aust. they were selling for $70. A new US M1 Garand bayonet in original box was $20. The rainy weather as also give me time to find a few more numbers for the list, some recent and some older and well scattered, so here they are. 577, 1889, 2390, 3689, 5027, 5044, 8349, 9296 ( please check the numbers are correct) and an original Siamese stamped leather tear drop stud scabbard, clear pussycat but numbers not so good. Cheers, TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 27 February , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 February , 2022 TR, Thanks for that new cache of serials, you do your homework well. Some interesting information there on on these Siamese bayonet and rifle sales. Looking at prices from 40-50 years ago always brings on the instant nostalgia for how cheap everything was, but that is something of a mirage because we all also had much lower disposable incomes then. I have only been collecting Bayonets for the last 6 yrs, but prices seem to have soared in just the last 18 months for no apparent reason. Regards, JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 27 February , 2022 Share Posted 27 February , 2022 40 minutes ago, JMB1943 said: prices seem to have soared in just the last 18 months for no apparent reason. I agree.... I was actually thinking about why this might be and cannot really come up with a reason. My recent sort out and reorganization of my collection revealed some gaps that I thought I might try and fill, so for the first time in ages I have been more actively browsing, and was surprised at the jump up in even very common types (like WWII No4 Enfield "spike" bayonets which are super common but now exchanging for 3 or 4 times what they were a couple of years ago.) Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 27 February , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 February , 2022 Chris, You are right about even the commonplace bayonet now going for 3-4 times what they were priced at a couple of years ago. If it were the relatively scarce (not rare) bayonets (e.g., German sawback / Vickers / Siamese Patt. '07 etc) I can imagine a scenario where the thought is "I had better buy one (at a high price) because the supply is limited and prices will only go higher---hence a good investment." In the midst of the Covid lockdowns last year I was toying with the idea of buying several "relic" (i.e., dug / highly rusted / wooden grips lost) bayonets to compare methods of potential cleanup. However, even for such beasts, I was looking at a total outlay of about $70US per item, and that idea quickly went away. My naive view of economics is that High demand plus Limited Supply = High prices but I cannot see that there has been a sudden, or even gradual, influx of bayonet collectors in the last couple of years. Perhaps I need a more sophisticated knowledge of economics! Regards, JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 27 February , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 February , 2022 The latest burst of numbers has made me update the Table. Many, many thanks once again to all who have helped in the collection of these Siamese Patt. 1907 serials. Regards, JMB 1 2133 4060 6013 8181 32xx 6 2177 4150 6107 8349 5x46 35 2280 4496 6212 8388 608x 67 2339 4651 6245 8415 808x 96 2390 4803 6285 8651 x2x2 330 2533 5021 6430 8737 xx1 404 2622 5027 6476 8793 x070 427 2715 5044 6630 8833 104x 505 2815 5066 6831 9047 x33x 544 2925 5225 7056 9091 x95 577 3008 5405 7094 9130 71x 590 3070 5503 7611 9229 625 3155 5531 7745 9296 649 3260 5757 9306 711 3290 9502 836 3292 9737 866 3689 9792 1013 3810 9931 1115 3815 9968 1201 3893 10,000 1241 1306 1485 1758 1831 1926 1980 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.ryan Posted 28 February , 2022 Share Posted 28 February , 2022 JMB The list is looking good, thanks for the update. From what I have noticed at military fairs, gun shows etc; when covid permits, most of those into bayonets are of the older brigade that have been doing the same thing for some time, and I think some of us may find it hard to get a family member interested in taking on what we have collected. Most of the dealers are older gents also so not sure just where we are heading. As you say tho the cost of military bayonets, knives and utility (pocket) knives are all going north at a rate of knots, even some of the crap that is being put up for sale, eg supposedly fighting knives made out of 1907 bayonets with no way of knowing just when the blade was shortened and by whom. I find here that the Aust. made 07 bayonets are getting much more expensive than there British equivalent, probably due to the amount made but a $70 reasonable Aussie made 07 bayonet a few years ago is now $300+. I believe that one of the biggest causes for the price rises we are seeing is the extra cost you must try to get for your item so that you don't loose money after paying the rather excessive fees being charged by eBay etc., to sell your item. It only takes two bidders wanting that item to drive the price up which in turn sets up the price for a similar item at next auction. Cheers, TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.ryan Posted 1 March , 2022 Share Posted 1 March , 2022 JMB The continued wet weather here has let me find more numbers for the list; and it seams that the more you search the more they know what you are looking for. So here are the new numbers for you to check and add if appropriate, a couple of the figures are a little hard to figure out. 341, 941, 995, 1582, 1584, 2851, 3400, 3449, 9143 and clearly marked scabbard 173. A couple of the bayonets have unusual stamps as you can see. Have fun. Cheers, TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 1 March , 2022 Author Share Posted 1 March , 2022 TR, Another treasure trove......can I assume that these are all from auction sites in Oz & NZ? That would be consistent with (many of) them coming into Sherry's Disposals in Brisbane. Looking at your numbers, I have entered 1584 = 158x at the moment, and 9143 = 7143. This has made me recast the Table again. 1* = the bayonet located in the Royal Palace, and I have only seen it in a magazine article so I am a little ambiguous about recording it. It is shown on p.2 of this thread, dated 21-March-21. What is the general consensus on this??? Regards, JMB 1* 2133 4060 6013 8181 32xx 6 2177 4150 6107 8349 5x46 35 2280 4496 6212 8388 608x 67 2339 4651 6245 8415 808x 96 2390 4803 6285 8651 x2x2 330 2533 5021 6430 8737 xx1 341 2622 5027 6476 8793 x070 404 2715 5044 6630 8833 104x 427 2815 5066 6831 9047 x33x 505 2851 5225 7056 9091 x95 544 2925 5405 7094 9130 71x 577 3008 5503 7143 9229 158x 590 3070 5531 7611 9296 625 3155 5757 7745 9306 649 3260 9502 711 3290 9737 836 3292 9792 866 3400 9931 941 3449 9968 995 3689 10,000 1013 3810 1115 3815 1201 3893 1241 1306 1485 1584 1758 1831 1926 1980 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.ryan Posted 1 March , 2022 Share Posted 1 March , 2022 JMB, A couple of these are in Aussie, either for sale or recently sold, as are others from UK, US etc, these things were scattered world wide for sure. I think the 1584 is ok, I would question the 2 in 1582, I was going on the straight bottom on the figure in calling it a 2. I agree 7143 looks better. The first figure in 995 is a hard one also. Cheers, TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 2 March , 2022 Author Share Posted 2 March , 2022 (edited) TR, You are right, 1584 is correct and I had entered it in the Table as such; 1582 is the one that is not certain. Regards, JMB EDIT: Have now looked at "995" under magnification and various rotations; agree that the first numeral is very difficult to assign (possibly 2 or 3), so it is entered as x95 which was already in the Table from March 2021. Edited 2 March , 2022 by JMB1943 Add info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.ryan Posted 3 March , 2022 Share Posted 3 March , 2022 JMB, A couple more for the list, No. 997, 6750. On page 2, 4th Gordons 4 bayonets, 17th March 21. I think that his No 4654 is missing off the list and his 5502 you may have as 5503. Cheers, TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 3 March , 2022 Author Share Posted 3 March , 2022 TR, Thanks for 997 & 6750. Also, the comments regarding the photos by 4th Gordons on p. 2 of this thread. Unfortunately, there are plenty of opportunities for transcription errors (by me) and I will soon revisit all of the numbers to dig out the errors. Regards, JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.ryan Posted 4 March , 2022 Share Posted 4 March , 2022 JMB Yes one could start to go cross eyed looking at all the numbers; but I think these two, 7441 and 7594 are a couple of new ones with easy to read numbers. One Melbourne one U.S. Cheers, TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 4 March , 2022 Author Share Posted 4 March , 2022 TR, Thanks for those two new serials! Regards, JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.ryan Posted 6 March , 2022 Share Posted 6 March , 2022 JMB I have some more homework for you to check out and add to the list if appropriate. Most have showed up from your part of the world, and one seller. No,s 788, 2011, 3090, 3992, 4070, 4116, 4403, 5391, 6133, 9185, 9338, 9412. Cheers, TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lance Posted 6 March , 2022 Share Posted 6 March , 2022 Sorry to be late for the party, here is 4770 (I assume). I have been looking or 4673 to match my rifle for years without luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 6 March , 2022 Share Posted 6 March , 2022 Ooh 4 hours ago, lance said: Sorry to be late for the party, here is 4770 (I assume). I have been looking or 4673 to match my rifle for years without luck! Ooooh well that’s just 3 off one of my rifles- the closest I have seen! I too have been looking for 20 years! Do you know of any matched pairs? Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lance Posted 6 March , 2022 Share Posted 6 March , 2022 No matched pairs to my knowledge, but I am always hoping to find mine. You can have first dibs on 4770 or if you want to trade let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 6 March , 2022 Author Share Posted 6 March , 2022 TR-----Thanks for the bounty; you must be bucking for a promotion!!!! I do read 6133 as 6137, what say you? Lance---Thank you for 4770! Chris---Keep the faith!! Regards, JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 6 March , 2022 Author Share Posted 6 March , 2022 Latest additions to the Table; now have 132 recorded. Regards, JMB 1* 2011 4060 6013 8181 32xx 6 2078 4070 6107 8349 5x46 35 2133 4116 6212 8388 608x 67 2177 4150 6245 8415 808x 96 2278 4403 6285 8651 x2x2 330 2280 4496 6430 8737 xx1 341 2339 4651 6476 8793 x070 404 2390 4770 6630 8833 104x 427 2533 4803 6750 9047 x33x 505 2622 5021 6831 9091 x95 544 2715 5027 7056 9130 71x 577 2815 5044 7094 9185 158x 590 2833 5066 7143 9229 625 2851 5225 7441 9296 649 2925 5391 7594 9306 711 3008 5405 7611 9338 788 3070 5503 7745 9412 836 3090 5531 9502 866 3155 5757 9737 941 3260 9792 997 3290 9931 1013 3292 9968 1115 3400 10,000 1201 3449 1241 3689 1306 3810 1485 3815 1584 3893 1758 3992 1831 1926 1980 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.ryan Posted 7 March , 2022 Share Posted 7 March , 2022 JMB Yes, it does look like 7, 6137. A couple of new ones, 3454 just showed up on the Bay in Queensland, has a hefty price tag, and another from your side. If these numbers keep showing up then someone is sure to find a matching number; the odds are getting better with every one accounted for, and that was the reason i added the clearly numbered scabbard earlier from an even earlier post. It needs the correct bayonet for sure. It is just another interesting part to your search for these remaining smiling tiger bayonet numbers. I will be away for a few weeks from Thursday so keep up the good work. Cheers, TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 7 March , 2022 Author Share Posted 7 March , 2022 TR, Thanks for 3454 and 3797. Enjoy your walkabout, you have earned it! Regards, JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.ryan Posted 8 March , 2022 Share Posted 8 March , 2022 JMB Thanks, will enjoy. I have a bit more homework for you before my break. Have one new number 1021 and a few earlier ones to check out on your list. I now have 100 numbered photo,s and these are the ones that i have that don,t show on your list at present. 732, 1367, 1431, 1889, 4654, 8714, all numbers reasonably clear. Cheers, TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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