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Numbers of British P.1907 bayonets surviving


JMB1943

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On 20/03/2021 at 23:43, Phil B said:

Playing with the CNC machine on a rainy day and thought you guys might like this 

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Phil,

I do like it, and would like to know if that is an aluminium or steel sheet.

Regards,

JMB

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My neighbor gave me #732 when I was 14. I'm 51. It had the leather scabbard and was missing the hand guard/lug. One wood scale was 1/2 missing. Someone had taken a file to it in an attempt to sharpen it up so it presented with nasty tool marks. For thirty plus years I've stored it in a thick oil coating which has kept it in similar condition to when it was given to me. 

Until a few days ago.... 

 

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Hello Mick,

Welcome to the Forum and thanks for posting your Smiling Tiger bayonet—-732 is duly added to the list.

How did you get a new cross-guard made? Is it brazed on?

I have to ask why the cross-guard is different from the standard Patt. 1907 design?

Anyway, you do now have a unique bayonet.

Regards,

JMB

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First I must apologize for what I've done to this relic. I have always believed, maybe correctly, it was beyond value in it's condition. I fabricated the guard from photos found online. It's not an accurate reproduction. I realized this after having discovered other sites with better pics. I'm happy with with how it turned out. The guard was tight fit and attached with jb weld. I wasn't sure how to braze it with bronze and not mess with the temper of the steel. Either way, JB is a common knife making trick and this one isnt going to battle anytime soon. The blade was sanded and wet sanded up to 1200grit. Obviously the bluing oxide disappeared.  Not possible to remove the worst of the file marks and didn't want to alter the blade profile. I bought knife scales and shaped them up. Finished with tung oil. The mosaic pins are my confession of an incorrect restoration. 

Please forgive my transgressions.....but I can't say I won't do it again!

Anybody have some historic old steel with little value on the collector market???

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Mick,

I'm also happy with how it turned out!!

After losing the cross-guard (how does that happen?) and one-half of a grip (I can imagine that) it was never going to be original again.

The important thing to me is that #732 has been brought back to such a condition that any future owner will not want to treat it as a fire-poker or paint stirrer.

The scabbard looks to be in good nick as well; is  it the original, with the tiger head imprint on the leather high up, close to the seam?

Could I ask a favour--would you be able to get an accurate weight of the bayonet (only)?

Regards,

JMB

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The scabbard has the tiger but four characters/numbers which I can't make out. Not sure if it was a matched set. They guy who gave it to me collected war memorabilia so I guess it's possible it was pieced out. 

I'm attaching a pic of the original grips and screws if you or anybody wants them I can drop'em in the box. 

Let me see if I can find a scale....

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Mick,

I see what you mean about the numerals, difficult to get an accurate read.

It is very rarely that a bayonet/scabbard, of any pattern, come as a matching numbers pair.

Thanks for putting those spare parts out there, but I’ll leave for somebody else.

If you intend to collect more of these, or of the Patt. 07 in general, you should hold onto at least those bolt-screws and nuts!

Regards,

JMB

 

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JMB1943

I think that this is a new number for the Smiling Tiger list. It was recently sold on the Bay and I missed it at the time, has the metal scabbard. I believe that the number is 9091.

Cheers.

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Yes, a new one for the list!

I think that we are at about 75-80 now.

Thanks to all who are spotting these.

Regards,

JMB

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Hi new member from Australia. Got the Siamese bug after seeing Phil B posts on Facebook. Here are my serial numbers for the list. Rifle 4550, Bolt 3949 and Bayonet 9091.

Is the list available to see? What’s the lowest and highest numbers on it.

Cheers

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On 22/11/2021 at 11:30, JMB1943 said:

Yes, a new one for the list!

I think that we are at about 75-80 now.

Thanks to all who are spotting these.

Regards,

JMB

 

On 22/11/2021 at 08:32, t.ryan said:

JMB1943

I think that this is a new number for the Smiling Tiger list. It was recently sold on the Bay and I missed it at the time, has the metal scabbard. I believe that the number is 9091.

Cheers.

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I got it👍

I didn’t realise another member posted the bayonet I received yesterday, here it is with my rifle and another scabbard I had.

Cheers

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From what I have seen shown on the tiger head bayonet on this post, No 1 is the lowest and No 9792 is the highest.

JMB1943 may have a full list.

Cheers.

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This is the current listing. Thanks to all who have contributed, and please keep 'em coming!

                 1* 1202 3070 5503 7745             32xx
6 1241 3155 5531 8388             5x46
35 1306 3260 5757 8415             608x
67 1758 3290 6212 8651             808x
330 1831 3292 6245 8737             x2x2
404 1926 3810 6430 8793               xx1
505 1980 3815 6476 8833             x070
544 2133 3893 6630 9047             104x
625 2177 4060 6831 9091             x33x
649 2280 4496 7056 9130               x95
711 2339 4651 7094 9229    
836 2533 4803 7611 9306    
866 2622 5021   9502    
1013 2715 5066   9737    
1115 2815 5225   9792    
  2925     9931    
        9968    

Regards,

JMB

 

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Terrylee

Nice very clearly stamped bayonet with easy to read 1306 numbers. The number 1306 is already on the list so not sure if you are thinking that it is not the same bayonet but sometimes the numbers are not stamped so well and there could be a chance that a number has been misread. If that is the case it should be able to be checked out on the other bayonet.

Your bayonet looks to be in better than average condition, good photo's.

Cheers,

TR.

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TR and Terrylee,

#1306 was the eighth number that I recorded, so it was probably in late 2016 or early 2017.

The source was on-line seller, Enfield-Rifles.com

Terrylee, did you buy your bayonet from them? If not, I have possibly mis-transcribed the number, as suggested by TRyan!!

Although 1306 in Siamese numerals is very straightforward.

Regards,

JMB

[I see that Enfield-Rifles .com is an Enfield forum, not a sales site.]

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JMB, It is the same bayonet. I have had it for many years, am a member of the Lee Enfield Rifles Forum and a while back posted its markings amongst those covering different P '07 manufacturers.

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Terry lee,

Thanks for that confirmation.

Regards,

JMB

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Where do all these bayonets come from? I always thought that most bayonets one sees around are souveniered, but the numbers here for what was a relatively limited contract run make it seem that when officially disposed of as obsolete they went on open sale! 

Julian

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Possibly my imagination, but I seem to remember them being offered for sale by the UK militaria company Worldwide Arms in the 1990’s. (i.e. they had a quantity of them) Perhaps the Thai government dug them out of storage and sold them off at that time?

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Good to see the No 1306 ? was easily sorted. It was another very nice smiling tiger bayonet to get to see.

It is also interesting to see just how far and wide these 10,000 smiling tiger bayonets have been distributed. 

Cheers,

TR

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JMB1943,

This one just popped up  for sale on the bay here. Nice one with metal scabbard, I believe the number is 3008 and a new one for the list.

They just keep on showing up.

Cheers,

TR

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I am reminded of the apocryphal London no.7 bus...

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1 hour ago, t.ryan said:

JMB1943,

This one just popped up  for sale on the bay here. Nice one with metal scabbard, I believe the number is 3008 and a new one for the list.

They just keep on showing up.

Cheers,

TR

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Just logged on to add this as well, I just bid,

happy to back off if you are.

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