neverforget Posted 27 December , 2019 Share Posted 27 December , 2019 9 hours ago, Knotty said: Did you know the original working plaster models of the statues were crated up in 1937, and eventually reopened in 2000 they are a feature of the Canadian War Museum. I did spot that on his wiki page John thanks. P.s. I haven't the foggiest on your handsome couple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 27 December , 2019 Share Posted 27 December , 2019 That’s where it came from as part of my famous Canadian list. ok clue 2, there were 4 of them in total. The pictures shown were taken earlier in their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 27 December , 2019 Share Posted 27 December , 2019 Clue 3. The action that made them famous came as a bolt out of the blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 27 December , 2019 Share Posted 27 December , 2019 I'm starting to form the nucleus of an idea. I'm thinking they all committed a sort of war crime, and possibly were executed. I see a tree and I start to bark.😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 27 December , 2019 Share Posted 27 December , 2019 Yep, I think the phrase you are looking for is “barking up the wrong tree”. No war crime or execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 28 December , 2019 Share Posted 28 December , 2019 (edited) Are you after clue 4 yet? Edited 28 December , 2019 by Knotty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 28 December , 2019 Share Posted 28 December , 2019 I would appreciate that. I appear to have lost my mojo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 28 December , 2019 Share Posted 28 December , 2019 The fourth is literally the fourth at St Peters Plain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 28 December , 2019 Share Posted 28 December , 2019 Martha Taylor and Sam Smith? They were killed by the fourth bomb dropped by zeppelin on St. Peter's plain on the 19th January 1915, with two other casualties. If the report I read is correct, they were the first two civilians killed by an air-raid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 28 December , 2019 Share Posted 28 December , 2019 That’s them NF, although they are much younger in the photos than the age at their deaths, she was 72, he was 53, both killed in Great Yarmouth, and as you say the first ever civilians to lose their lives in an air raid in the UK. The other two victims that were killed, were at Kings Lynn, Alice Gazley (26) and Percy Goate(14). All 4 were victims of bombs dropped by Zeppelin L4 on 14/1/1915. https://www.westernfrontassociation.com/world-war-i-articles/zeppelins-over-norfolk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 28 December , 2019 Share Posted 28 December , 2019 Very generous clues John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyne Posted 30 December , 2019 Share Posted 30 December , 2019 Talking about war criminals... Hi guys, I'm still around... was just quite busy the last weeks... duty at XMas and researching my ladies for The Big Project And unpacking boxes... LOL M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 30 December , 2019 Share Posted 30 December , 2019 Season Greetings Marilyne, By the looks of his uniform cap (what I can see) I would go for a WW2 Kriegsmarine, that would probably put him as a young officer in the Imperial Navy. War criminal, I am now going to struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 30 December , 2019 Share Posted 30 December , 2019 Erich Raeder perhaps? Convicted at Nuremberg, served on Hipper's staff in WW1. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 30 December , 2019 Share Posted 30 December , 2019 Hi Pete Thats who I have on my list so far.👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyne Posted 30 December , 2019 Share Posted 30 December , 2019 (edited) Not Raeder... Just think of my specialty ... Explaining the case of this gentleman to my students used to be a real treat ... for them also !! Sleep on it... Good night!! M. Edited 30 December , 2019 by Marilyne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 30 December , 2019 Share Posted 30 December , 2019 I’m pretty sure its Daniel Craig’s grandfather😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 31 December , 2019 Share Posted 31 December , 2019 So rather than your current logistics specialism this is something to do with international law? I'm assuming it's not horses (or bears) as he appears to be a naval officer,but it would be brilliant if it was. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 31 December , 2019 Share Posted 31 December , 2019 Hi Pete Doesn't Marilyne also have a penchant for women buried at the front and women casualties in general? I seem to remember this as a thread topic a couple of years ago written by her good self. As she has said a criminal I’m looking for cases possible murder(s) of women in WW2 by German naval officer, who served in WW1. Am I barking up the wrong tree Marilyne ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 31 December , 2019 Share Posted 31 December , 2019 How about Hans Langsdorff? The legal implications of the Graf Spee's sojourn in Montevideo would be interesting, but it's stretching the war criminal bit a bit. Langsdorff was at Jutland, and worked on minesweepers thereafter during WW1. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 31 December , 2019 Share Posted 31 December , 2019 (edited) I think Pete may have it. There is a photo of Langsdrff on his Wikipedia page and, whilst it is not the same as the one posted by Maryline, there is a resemblance. EDIT: On further searching, I believe that it is Helmut Patzig, who was a U-Boat commander in both wars, and was tried for war crimes in 1921 in respect of the sinking of the hospital ship Llandovery Castle. Maryline's photo of him appears on one of the websites relating to his career. Ron Edited 31 December , 2019 by Ron Clifton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 31 December , 2019 Share Posted 31 December , 2019 Looks like a good spot Ron, top work. And a very happy 2020 to all the inmates of WiT? Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyne Posted 2 January , 2020 Share Posted 2 January , 2020 Hi all, HAPPY NEW YEAR !!! sorry for being late… had to entertain on New Year's Eve… back in good old Marche right now and… Ron is right!!! It has all to do with International Law, as Pete spotted… and Helmut Patzig was the commander of the Uboat that sunk the Llandovery Castle. the only thing is that he managed to flee and leave his XO and Ops officer to take the blame and stand trial in Leipzig. The case (and punishment) was a farce but I used it as an example for Command Responsibility: the two officers claimed they "obeyed orders", a defence often used in Nuremberg, but this did not hold in front of the court as it should have been their responsibility to tell theur commander that he was doing the wrong thing. A very interesting case. M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 2 January , 2020 Share Posted 2 January , 2020 (edited) This is a man I only learned about recently, though I think he deserves to be better known. He was a British Army officer who won the MC, but his major achievement was made in the immediate post-war period. Churchill needed convincing, but he got Henry Wilson's backing. He was also a poet and author. Ron Edited 2 January , 2020 by Ron Clifton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyne Posted 3 January , 2020 Share Posted 3 January , 2020 So he was an offier turned politician… still working for the War office, if Henry Wilson was involved??? More clues??? M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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