seaJane Posted 13 December , 2019 Share Posted 13 December , 2019 Oh, no need to apologise - I was teasing, but it misfired. Sorry x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 13 December , 2019 Share Posted 13 December , 2019 18 minutes ago, seaJane said: ... but it misfired ... “There’s something wrong with our bloody ships today!” Is he Ernie Chatfield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 13 December , 2019 Share Posted 13 December , 2019 Hi seaJane Just catching back up, can you confirm ( not at home, so no reference books) is he a Captain, if I remember insignia correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 13 December , 2019 Share Posted 13 December , 2019 4 hours ago, Uncle George said: “There’s something wrong with our bloody ships today!” Is he Ernie Chatfield? Nope. 3 hours ago, Knotty said: Hi seaJane Just catching back up, can you confirm ( not at home, so no reference books) is he a Captain, if I remember insignia correctly. Admiral. Retired in 1916 and brought back into service in 1917. Reminder re: ancestor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 14 December , 2019 Share Posted 14 December , 2019 He might be John Saumarez Dumaresq. A descendant of James Saumarez? Inventor of the Dumaresq, the ranging thingummy. The attached is from Wikipedia: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 14 December , 2019 Share Posted 14 December , 2019 Not John Saumarez Dumaresq; Saumarez sr was at one point second in command to the ancestor I'm thinking of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 14 December , 2019 Share Posted 14 December , 2019 (edited) Horace Hood, who as a Rear-Admiral was lost aboard HMS Invincible at Jutland? Ron Edit: Obviously not, if he was brought back to duty in 1917, but am I warm, as someone descended from a more famous admiral? Edited 14 December , 2019 by Ron Clifton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 14 December , 2019 Share Posted 14 December , 2019 He is Philip Nelson-Ward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 15 December , 2019 Share Posted 15 December , 2019 Sorry, no, Ron. UG is correct https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Nelson-Ward Picture from here: http://www.caulfeild.co.uk/individual.php?pid=I627&ged=Caulfeild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 15 December , 2019 Share Posted 15 December , 2019 WiT has already featured this chap, whose ancestor also served at Trafalgar: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 15 December , 2019 Share Posted 15 December , 2019 16 hours ago, Ron Clifton said: ... but am I warm, as someone descended from a more famous admiral? Who is the admiral, Ron? Do tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 15 December , 2019 Share Posted 15 December , 2019 When I said "a more famous admiral" I didn't have a particular name in mind, but Nelson did cross my mind. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 15 December , 2019 Share Posted 15 December , 2019 Is that a Villeneuve, UG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 15 December , 2019 Share Posted 15 December , 2019 52 minutes ago, Ron Clifton said: When I said "a more famous admiral" I didn't have a particular name in mind, but Nelson did cross my mind. Ron Sorry, I thought you were saying that you were descended from the more famous admiral. 19 minutes ago, seaJane said: Is that a Villeneuve, UG? Non. My chap served at Verdun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 15 December , 2019 Share Posted 15 December , 2019 15 minutes ago, Uncle George said: Non. My chap served at Verdun. Still not near my books, is it the Vichy Admiral from WW2, cannot remember his name for the life of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 15 December , 2019 Share Posted 15 December , 2019 27 minutes ago, Knotty said: Vichy 28 minutes ago, Knotty said: Admiral 28 minutes ago, Knotty said: WW2 These are all excellent clues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 15 December , 2019 Share Posted 15 December , 2019 This looks like François Darlan. He made a name for himself a long way from the sea for counter battery work at Verdun. His battery of naval guns took on the huge siege weapons that the Germans were using to pound the forts if I remember correctly. The size of the weapons made them completely immobile with in some cases concrete emplacements built for them, some of which are still there in the woods to the north of the city. I think that techniques like flash spotting were used to locate them. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 15 December , 2019 Share Posted 15 December , 2019 That’s the chap I’m thinking of Pete👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 15 December , 2019 Share Posted 15 December , 2019 1 hour ago, Fattyowls said: This looks like François Darlan. He made a name for himself a long way from the sea for counter battery work at Verdun. His battery of naval guns took on the huge siege weapons that the Germans were using to pound the forts if I remember correctly. The size of the weapons made them completely immobile with in some cases concrete emplacements built for them, some of which are still there in the woods to the north of the city. I think that techniques like flash spotting were used to locate them. Pete. Yes that’s him. Murdered on a Christmas Eve. WSC: “Few men have paid more heavily for errors of judgement and failures of character than Admiral Darlan ... Let him rest in peace, and let us all be thankful we have never had to face the trials under which he broke,” Quote from ‘The Hinge of Fate’ (1951). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 15 December , 2019 Share Posted 15 December , 2019 (edited) Harold Macmillan,who was Churchill's adviser to Eisenhower at the time of the assassination, wryly described Darlan's service and death by saying, "Once bought, he stayed bought." Edited 15 December , 2019 by Knotty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 16 December , 2019 Share Posted 16 December , 2019 So, who is this chap ? ? ? Fisher: “He has the power, he pulls the strings, he has no position, he causes no jealousy, he talks to all the Lords as their servant, and he manipulates them all and oils the machine for his special master, the First Lord, to perpetuate a job when necessary!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 16 December , 2019 Share Posted 16 December , 2019 7 minutes ago, Uncle George said: So, who is this chap ? ? ? Fisher: “He has the power, he pulls the strings, he has no position, he causes no jealousy, he talks to all the Lords as their servant, and he manipulates them all and oils the machine for his special master, the First Lord, to perpetuate a job when necessary!” I'll take a first stab at Captain Charles M. de Bartolome: Naval assistant to the First Sea Lord from January 1912-August 1914? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 16 December , 2019 Share Posted 16 December , 2019 32 minutes ago, neverforget said: I'll take a first stab at Captain Charles M. de Bartolome: Naval assistant to the First Sea Lord from January 1912-August 1914? Yes! That was quick. The image is from the Dreadnought Project. The quote is from Fisher’s ‘Memories’ (1919). He is describing the position of Private Secretary to the First Lord of the Admiralty: this title became Naval Secretary to the First Lord in 1912, which post Bartolomé held from November 1914 to December 1916. Violet Bonham Carter, in her ‘Winston Churchill As I Knew Him’ (1965), tells us that as Churchill was pressing for renewed Naval operations against the Dardanelles without the Army, “he encountered ‘insuperable resistance’. [Bartolomé] alone was ready to order the renewal of the attack. Lord Fisher, Sir Arthur Wilson and Sir Henry Jackson refused to do so ... Winston saw clearly the ‘vista of terrible consequences behind this infirm relaxation of purpose’ ... He was supported by the Chief of Staff, Commodore de Bartolomé, but he was the youngest there and the old sea-dogs remained obdurate.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 16 December , 2019 Share Posted 16 December , 2019 I simply deduced from your overly generous clues that he was secretary or assistant to the First Sea Lord, mon uncle, and a quick search through the extensive library flagged him up. Makes a change for me to bark up the correct tree for once. 😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 16 December , 2019 Share Posted 16 December , 2019 This chap was convicted (in England) for high treason and sentenced to death. Nevertheless his son fought for us in the army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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