Capture of Major Yate

[seaforths]

Here is the list of Herman/Hermann Otto (sourced from Ancestry). I have their actual records to look at yet. I thought I would post the list in case anyone can identify that a particular unit might not have been in Belgium or anywhere near Louvain at the time. Conversely, if you spot a potential candidate also let me know and I can go straight to his record. Please just use the HO## (HermanOtto number) as a reference I will find his records from that. Cheers (Sorry it's so long!)

HO1 DOB: 9 May 1883 – 3 Units on Record POSSIBLY MOBILISED 4/8/1914
Combat Arm: Kraftfahr-Formationen
Type of Unit: Kraftfahr-Ersatz-Abteilungen
Unit: bayer. Kraftfahr-Ersatz-Abteilung 01

Combat Arm: Hohere Stabe
Type of Unit: Hohere Stabe
Unit: Armee-Oberkommando 06

Combat Arm: Dienststellen und Truppenteile in der Heimat
Type of Unit: Dienststellen und Truppenteile in der Heimat
Unit: Bezirks-Komandr Passau

*HO2 DOB: 29 November 1885 – 4 Units on Record NO - EARLIEST SERVICE 1/7/15
Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Infantarie-Regimenter
Unit: 20, bayer, Infanterie-Regiment

Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Ersatztruppenteile der Infanterie Regimenter
Unit: 3 bayer. Infanterie-Regiment (Augsburg) 1 Erstz-Bataillon

Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Ersatztruppenteile der Reserve-Infanterie-Regimenter
Unit: bayer. Reserve-Infanterie-Regiment No.3 (Memmingen) Ersatz-Bataillon

Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Infanterie-Regimenter
Unit: 20 bayer. Infanterie-Regiment
ALSO POSSIBLE SAME MAN AS HO10 AND POSSIBLE 2 FILES IN HO33 (20 BAYER AND MEMMINGEN)

HO3 DOB: 10 September 1896 3- Units on Record POSSIBLY MOBILISED 6/8/1914
Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Infanterie-Regimenter
Unit: 9 bayer. Infanterie-Regiment

Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Ersatztruppenteile der Infanterie Regiementer
Unit: II Ersatz-Bataillon/I bayer.Inf.Regt. (Schweinfurt)

Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Ersatztruppenteile der Infanterie Regimenter
Unit: 9 bayer. Infanterie-Regiment (Wurzburg) I Ersatz-Bataillon

HO4 DOB: 19 August 1890 – 1 Unit on Record POSSIBLY MOBILISED 14/8/1914
Combat Arm: Artillerie
Type of Unit: Ersatz-Feldartillerie-Regiment
Unit: bayer. Ersatz-Feldart. Regt.

HO5 DOB 4 January 1872 – 3 Units on Record NO – EARLIEST RECORD JANUARY 1917
Combat Arm: Artillerie
Type of Unit: Feldartillerie Ersatztruppenteile
Unit: 12 bayer, Feldart-Regt. (Landau/Pfalz) II Ers-Abt.

Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Landsturm-Infanterie-Bataillon
Unit: Landsturm-Infanterie-Bataillon Laundau/Pf II B5

Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Landsturm-Infanterie-Bataillon
Unit: Landsturm-Infanterie-Ersatz-Bataillon Zweibrucken Kaiserslautern II B12

HO6 DOB 24 April 1874 – 1 Unit on Record NO – EARLIEST RECORD NOVEMBER 1915
Combat Arm: Hohere Stabe
Type of Unit: Hohere Stabe
Unit: Etappen-Inspektion 06

HO7 DOB 20 September 1879 – 4 Units on Record NO – EARLIEST RECORD DECEMBER 1915
Combat Arm: Pioniere
Type of Unit: Pionier-Formationen; Pionier-Ersatz-Bataillone
Unit: 4 bayer. Pioniere-Ersatz-Bataillon (Ingoldstadt)

Combat Arm: Pioniere
Type of Unit: Pioniere_Formationen: Pionier-Parks
Unit: bayer. Pionier-Park-Kompanie 04

Combat Arm: Pioniere
Type of Unit: Pioniere_Formationen: Pionier-Parks
Unit: bayer. Pionier-Park-Kompanie 11

Combat Arm: Pionier
Type of Unit: Pionier-Formationen: Pionier-Ersatz Bataillone
Unit: 3 bayer. Pionier-Ersatz Bataillon (Ingolstadt)

HO8 DOB 7 October 1881 – 1 Unit on Record UNIT NOT IN AREA
Combat Arm: Hohere Stabe
Type of Unit: Hohere Stabe
Unit: 5 bayer. Infanterie-Division

HO9 DOB 30 July 1885 – 4 Units on Record NO – EARLIEST RECORD MARCH 1915
Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Ersatztruppenteile der Reserve-Infanterie-Regimenter
Unit: bayer. Reserve-Infanterie-Regiment No.6 (Furth/Bayern) Ersatz-Bataillon

Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Gebirgs-Infanterie-Ersatz-Bataillon
Unit: Gebirgs-Infanterie-Ersatz Bataillon

Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Jager und Radfahrer
Unit: Jager-Regiment No.3-1/Batl. (Oder Bayer Schneeschuh Bataillon1)

Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Jager und Radfahrer
Unit: Jager-Regiment No.3-IV Batl.


*HO10 DOB 29 September 1885 – 1 Unit on Record (see below) NO - E/Res Inf Reg 3 ON 31/1/15
Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Ersatztruppenteile der Reserve-Infanterie-Regimenter
Unit: bayer. Reserve-Infanterie-Regiment No.3 (Memmingden) Ersatz-Bataillon
Possibly same person as HO2 – Same place of birth (Schmiedefeld Kreis Schlensingen Thuringen (Thuringia)) ALSO A POSSIBLE 2 FILES IN HO33 (20 BAYER AND MEMMINGDEN)

HO11 DOB 25 October 1885 – 1 Unit on Record NO - EARLIEST SERVICE 9/2/16
Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Infanterie-Regimenter
Unit: 23 bayer. Infanterie Regiment

HO12 DOB 20 February 1885 – 1 Unit on Record NO - Slacht bei Nancy 22/8/14
Combat Arm: Artillerie
Type of Unit: Feldartillerie Ersatztruppenteile
Unit: 4 bayer. Feldart. Regt. (Augsberg) II Ers.-Abt.

HO13 DOB 9 April 1886 - 2 Units on Record POSSIBLE – MOBILISED 6/8/1914?
Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Landwehr-Infanterie-Regimenter
Unit: Bayer. Landwehr-Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 2 (Landshut)

Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Landsturm-Infanterie-Bataillone
Unit: Landsturm-Infanterie-Bataillon Dillingen I B 15

HO14 DOB 8 February 1887 – 1 Unit on Record POSSIBLE – MOBILISED 17/8/1914?
Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Feld-Rekrutendepots
Unit: Feld-Rekruten-Depot 14 Inf. Division

HO15 DOB 7 September 1887 – 1 Unit on Record POSSIBLE – WAS AT DOUAI 1914 (NOT SURE DOUAI NORTH OF CAMBRAI OR DOUAI NR AUGSGERG, GERMANY – I NEED TO CHECK THIS OUT
Combat Arm: Hohere Stabe
Type of Unit: Hohere Stabe
Unit: Etappen-Inspection 6 Etappen-Magazin-Verwaltung

HO16 DOB 19 November 1887 – 3 Units on Record NO – EARLIEST RECORD FEBRUARY 1916
Combat Arm: Artillerie
Type of Unit: FuBartillerie-Bataillone
Unit: bayer. FuBart-Bataillon 16

Combat Arm: Artillerie
Type of Unit: Ersatztruppenteile FuBartillerie-Regiementer
Unit: Ersatz-Bataillon/1 bayer. FuBart. Regt. (Mainz)

Combat Arm: Artillerie
Type of Unit: Ersatztruppenteile FuBartillerie-Regimenter
Unit: Ers. Batl/3 bayer. FuBart. Regt. (Grafenwohr)


HO17 DOB 22 January 1889 – 3 Units on Record NO – EARLIEST RECORD JULY 1915
Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Ersatztruppenteile der Infanterie Regimenter
Unit: 2 bayer. Infanterie-Regiment (Munchen) I Ersatz-Bataillon

Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Ersatztruppenteile der Reserve-Infanterie-Regimenter
Unit: bayer. Reserve-Infanterie-Regiment No.2 (Munchen) Ersatz-Bataillon

Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Maschinengewehr-Einheiten
Unit: 1 Ersatz-Masch. Gewehr-Kompanie Standort Munchen

HO18 DOB 22 January 1890 – 1 Unit on Record POSSIBLE MOBILISED 3/8/1914?
Combat Arm: Bayerische Reichswehr
Type of Unit: Bayerische Reichswehr
Unit: Leichtes Artillerie-Regiment 22

HO19 DOB 8 October 1890 – 1 Unit on Record POSSIBLE – MOBILISED 4/8/1914?
Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Feld-Rekrutendepots
Unit: Feld-Rekruten-Depot 1 Sudarmee

HO20 DOB 3 October 1890 – 1 Unit on Record POSSIBLE – RECORDS FROM 1913 ONWARDS
Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Infanterie-Regimenter
Unit: 21 bayer. Infanterie-Regiment

HO21 DOB 8 April 1891 – 1 Unit on Record POSSIBLE – MOBILISED 4/8/1914?
Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Feld-Rekrutendepots
Unit: Feld-Rekruten-Depot 1 Sudarmee

HO22 DOB 29 December 1893 – 1 Unit on Record NO - EARLIEST SERVICE 15/12/14
Combat Arm: Kavallerie
Type of Unit: Ersatz-Kavallerie-Formationen
Unit: Ersatz-Maschinen-Gewehr-Eskadron II. Armee-Korps

HO23 DOB 3 May 1895 – 1 Unit on Record HELP MAY BE REQUIRED WITH THIS ONE
Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Ersatztruppenteile der Infanterie Regimenter
Unit: II Ersatz-Bataillon/8 bayer. Inf Regt (Metz)

HO24 DOB 23 May 1895 – 3 Units on Record NO – EARLIEST RECORD APRIL 1915
Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Infanterie-Regimenter
Unit: 8 bayer. Infanterie-Regiment

Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Infanterie-Regimenter
Unit: 30 bayer, Infanterie-Regiment

Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Ersatztruppenteile der Infanterie Regimenter
Unit: 8 bayer. Infanterie-Regiment (Metz) I Ersatz-Bataillon

HO25 DOB 13 September 1896 – 1 Unit on Record NO - EARLIEST RECORD DECEMBER 1915
Combat Arm: Artillerie
Type of Unit: Gebirgsartillerie-Ersatz-Abteilung
Unit: bayer. Gebirgs-Artillerie (Sonthofen) Ers-Abt.

HO26 DOB 2 July 1896 - 1 Unit on Record NO – EARLIEST RECORD NOVEMBER 1915
Combat Arm: Kraftfahr-Formationen
Type of Unit: Divisions-Kraftwagen-Kolonnen
Unit: bayer. Divisions-Kraftwagen-Kolonne

HO27 DOB 20 September 1896 – 1 Unit on Record NO – EARLIEST RECORD FEBRUARY 1916
Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Ersatztruppenteile der Infanterie Regimenter
Unit: II Ersatz-Bataillon/I bayer Inf. Regt. (Schweinfurt)

HO28 DOB 12 August 1897 – 1 Unit on Record NO – EARLIEST RECORD AUGUST 1916
Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Feld-Rekrutendepots
Unit: Feld-Rekruten-Depot 1 Sudarmee

HO29 DOB 3 June 1897 – 1 Unit on Record NO – EARLIEST RECORD APRIL 1917
Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Feld-Rekrutendepots
Unit: Feld-Rekruten-Depot 1 Sudarmee

HO30 DOB 9 October 1898 – 1 Unit on Record NO – EARLIEST RECORD NOVEMBER 1916
Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Infanterie-Regimenter
Unit: 21 bayer. Infanterie-Regiment

HO31 DOB 1 May 1899 – 1 Unit on Record NO – EARLIEST RECORD JUNE 1917
Combat Arm: Infanterie
Type of Unit: Feld-Rekrutendepots
Unit: Feld-Rekruten-Depot 1 Sudarmee

HO32 DOB 6 November 1893 NO - LUNEVILLE,FR 22/8/14 TO 12/9/14
Combat Arm: Bayerische Reichswehr
Type of Unit: Bayerische Reichswehr
Unit: Reichswehr-Infanterie-Regiment 47

HO33 MIXED BAG OF RECORDS POSSIBLY BELONGING TO THE ABOVE
Hohere Stabe – Armee Oberkommando 06 - POSSIBLY BELONGS TO HO1, HO6, HO7 OR HO15
20 bayer Infanterie Regiment - POSSIBLY BELONGS TO HO2 AND/OR HO10
Bayer Reserve Nr.3 (Memmingen) - POSSIBLY BELONGS TO HO2 AND/OR HO10
Landwehr Infanterie Regimenter. Bayer Nr.2 (Landshut) - POSSIBLY BELONGS TO HO13

[seaforths]

I will edit the above post as I go through their proper records and strike through those that can be eliminated.

Phil, I'm not sure if this will help or not with your/my Bavarians (Aachen-Liege(Aarschot)-Louvain) but I decided to pick up the Horne/Kramer book again today and make a start (a change of mind for me thinking a paper book will take longer to get through so I had better get cracking!). Anyway here goes a few pages in (this is the very start of the war):

'The Germans converged on Liege in five lines which attacked simultaneously (map 2). The northernmost column, the 34th Mixed Infantry Brigade, struck from Aachen to Vise, with the intention of crossing the river Meuse and attacking the city from the north. The 27th Infantry Brigade moved from the north-east on the fort of Barchon. The 14th Infantry Brigade took the main road from Aachen, traversing a string of villages (Battice, Herve) before assaulting the fort of Fleron which barred entry into Liege from the east. The 11th Infantry Brigade came from Eupen to assault the forts of Chaudfontaine and Embourg, south-east of Liege. The 38th and 43rd Brigades formed the southernmost prong of the attack, moving up from Malmedy to attack the fort of Boncelles, south of Liege.'

There are actually two maps but they are not so big and very grainy (I had to use my magnifying glass) but I will try to scan them for you later when I can get onto the desktop. Meanwhile a couple of links which you might already by aware of from another thread posted by Trajan and Colin W Taylor respectively:

http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Militär/Formationsgeschichte/Deutschland/Alte_Armee/Divisionen

and:

https://archive.org/details/historiesoftwohu00unit

Edit: PS Non-acidic book repair tape arrived this morning - I'm going to be a busy bunny!

[Phil Evans]

Wiping out my post, has just made the perfect end to a bad day! Here is a summary of the bits I can remember.

I also came across this link on Liege.

I'm afraid my intentions to start on your list came to nothing. I'm also struggling with some of the unit nomenclature.

Last night I had a second run through the Liege and Namur Feldpost, but found nothing new.

Two more newspapers you can cross off the list:

Österreichische Illustrierte Zeitung

Staufener Wochblatt

Phil

[SteveMarsdin]

Good evening,

The works of Schmitz and Nieuwland https://archive.org/search.php?query=schmitz%20%26%20nieuwland%20AND%20mediatype%3Atexts which Kramer and Horne based a lot of their work on includes this reference to Bavarians in the volume covering the siege of Namur.

The works only cover the Belgian provinces of Namur and Luxembourg

[seaforths]

Wiping out my post, has just made the perfect end to a bad day! Here is a summary of the bits I can remember.

I also came across this link on Liege.

I'm afraid my intentions to start on your list came to nothing. I'm also struggling with some of the unit nomenclature.

Last night I had a second run through the Liege and Namur Feldpost, but found nothing new.

Two more newspapers you can cross off the list:

Österreichische Illustrierte Zeitung

Staufener Wochblatt

Phil

Thanks Phil will check it out tomorrow. I have to take the car for MOT first thing and told it will be ready by lunchtime so will stick the lappy etc. in a holdall and settle myself in *bucks for a few hours! Spent this afternoon and evening scanning maps on and off (between repairing pages). Tomorrow I will work through the Bavarians and strike the ones that joined after 1914. Not all of them have that much info on their records but it will thin them out a bit.

Good evening,

The works of Schmitz and Nieuwland https://archive.org/search.php?query=schmitz%20%26%20nieuwland%20AND%20mediatype%3Atexts which Kramer and Horne based a lot of their work on includes this reference to Bavarians in the volume covering the siege of Namur.

Bavarois.PNG

The works only cover the Belgian provinces of Namur and Luxembourg

Thank you Steve for the link. I will investigate that too tomorrow. Fortunately, my French is better than my German! I did notice their sources, it didn't occur to me to check out the archives.org site so thank you again for drawing my attention to that...I wonder if it is worth plotting them out on a map, they seem to be popping up a lot in various parts of the region. I was reading about the amount of German troops pouring into Belgium from the start and was staggered by the figures!

[trajan]

My, things have been busy here since Sunday! But I plan to spend time properly catching up tomorrow or this weekend, most especially with that transcription for 22nd and then that long list of German units you have provided Seaforths!

[seaforths]

In bed with Lemsip Max and 12 year old single malt - I hate summer colds!!!!

I've just amended my list in post #90 from the work I managed to get done this morning. It has been reduced quite a bit so less units to worry about now and I may be able to reduce it more with a little more work.. Can anyone help me with the following column headers please and thank you - sorry I don't know what they mean. I've been able to work out some of the others by myself though...

Sorry I won't get much done tonight...mm feelin' pretty rough

[Phil Evans]

Get well soon!

I don't know how the German records work, but presumably the units are in date order. Do they give dates of postings and transfers?

I have had a look at HO1:

Kraftfahr-Ersatz-Abteilung 01 = Home posting (probably Munich)

AOK 6 was in Lorraine

Dienststellen und Truppenteile in der Heimat / Bezirks-Komandr Passau. I translate this as Departments and Units in the Homeland / Regional Commander Passau.

Phil

[Phil Evans]

Post #96 - my best shot at a few of them:

Column 10 = "Service (a) former, ( since Mobilisation"

Column 11 = "Medals, Decorations & other awards"

Column 15 = "Comments"

[seaforths]

Thanks for clarification Phil - I thought as much but didn't trust myself.

I will try to work on them again tomorrow if I'm not feeling too shabby. I will look at the ones in green and anonymise them and post the individuals records up as HO1...etc. and cite Ancestry as the source. That way, I should be ok with regards to copyright. I am sure a mod will let me know if I'm not.

Some of the images were a bit difficult to read or faintly written so I couldn't tell if they were 1914 or 1916 (the number 4/6 being difficult to define). I will try tomorrow, to make those images a little clearer so I can see what they are about. If I'm still struggling I will post them as someone else might be able to make out what they are.

[seaforths]

I have cropped out other names and entries on the same page this is HO1

Better (?) image added

[seaforths]

These are records for HO3 Source Ancestry as above:










HO4 Also sourced Ancestry

[seaforths]

This is the last one I will post for now. I thought it might be easier just to work with a few at a time...This one is HO8 - Source: Ancestry

[Phil Evans]

Do you really trust my translations?

I find it difficult to see several of the clips, but the last piece for HO8 is perfect.

1914 Battle of Nancy Epinal.

AOK6 again, (5 Bayerische Infanterie-Division), so I think you can cross him off. A secretary in the Feldpost throughout?

Phil

[seaforths]

I didn't realise they had come out at such poor quality and I used photobucket too. I'll strike HO8 and have a look at those images again when I get in from work (if I'm not flagging too much). I will also try and make myself a chart of the Bayern units at Alsace so I can eliminate a few myself, as you did with HO8 - should have spotted that one but I'm still not firing on all cylinders and my quest for today (actually the next three days) is to get through work.

I will try and dig out the record tonight on the chap that looks as though he was at Douai in September - he could be quite promising.

Still, I've managed to work through a few more German maps and have scanned 52 and 11 still to go but the last 3 or 4 are going to be the most tricky because they are in the worst condition of all and they are big fold out ones too (some of those have been a bit challenging to fit on the scanner and one which wouldn't fit, was conveniently marked up in two sections so I was able to scan it in two sections but the transport and garrison maps, I think, are the biggest and most decrepit. I'm not doing them on a massive (1200) resolution, 800 seems to do the trick but the file sizes are still coming out huge. I think it is to do with the amount of detail in the maps but Halle came out at 100Mb so goodness knows what the transport maps will come out at because they are really busy in terms of details...

[seaforths]

Do you really trust my translations?

I find it difficult to see several of the clips, but the last piece for HO8 is perfect.

1914 Battle of Nancy Epinal.

AOK6 again, (5 Bayerische Infanterie-Division), so I think you can cross him off. A secretary in the Feldpost throughout?

Phil

Phil I will amend HO8 and strike him off now. I've managed to scrape through the last few days of work and I'm starting to feel a lot better. I spent last night and the night before trying to do myself a list of Bavarian units but it is very complicated to the uninitiated in German army units I've addled my own head with it so I will leave it alone for now and return to it tomorrow! I have also deleted the other poor images from photobucket and will try to sort those out now. I do admit to being lazy sometimes and using the Microsoft picture editor and it used to be ok (when I had Vista) but now, and I don't know why it does this, it can have a tendency to blur images when cropping (which I had forgotten about). I will use another editor and do a better job. Meanwhile, I am down to my last three maps and one errrm needs to be ironed before I can even attempt to tape it up and it is the one showing the units and garrisons.

Now then, I have pondered this one for some time last night and still struggling to make sense of it - especially the lower left word preceding the number 33. Sorry this one by the way is HO15. Initially when I searched, I wanted to make sure there was only the Douai in France and it came up with something about Augsburg but I have been unable to locate anything remotely like that name near Augsburg so he must have been Douai in France:

It seems to be two different copies of the same record. The second image there is a paper flap from the record above in the down position but one might be clearer to read than the other but I hope you can see these ones better. I will try and get better images of the other previous images sorted and posted just now...

[seaforths]

Post #100 edited with a better (?) image of HO1

Post #101 edited with better (?) images of HO3

Post #101 edited with better (?) images of HO4

[seaforths]

Also from Steve Marsden's post I found this map showing III Reserves in the area as well as IX Reserves:

Source: https://archive.org/stream/documentspourser03nieu#page/58/mode/1up Page 12

[Phil Evans]

I've had a squint at HO15 (post #105) and as far as I can make out he was initially with RIR 35 - 1st Army, III Reserve Corps, RID 6.

RIR 35 were a Brandenburg raised regiment.

It looks like he was with RIR35 from 17th August 1914 to mid-October before transferring to 29 Infantry Division (IR 170 and IR 111).

On your map III Reserve Corps is shown just North of Brussels, along with IX Reserve Corps.

Phil

[seaforths]

I've had a squint at HO15 (post #105) and as far as I can make out he was initially with RIR 35 - 1st Army, III Reserve Corps, RID 6.

RIR 35 were a Brandenburg raised regiment.

It looks like he was with RIR35 from 17th August 1914 to mid-October before transferring to 29 Infantry Division (IR 170 and IR 111).

On your map III Reserve Corps is shown just North of Brussels, along with IX Reserve Corps.

Phil

YESSS!!!!

I found another map last night when I was looking through the stuff on your Liege link post No.92 but was too tired to crop and post it but I will jump on the PC and do it now, it throws another Reserve Corps into the mix in the area but excellent news on HO15. I suppose we should still eliminate the others...

Edit: I think 35 were part of IX? Will check in a couple of mins.

[seaforths]

Sorry Phil, you are quite right - re my previous yes 35 (which I was unsure whether it was a 3 or an 8) makes him III. It was the ?????? 33 in his notes that I thought might be 17 Reserve Div. IX Reserve Corps. I will check out that other map now from last night. Not only was I too tired to crop and post, I've also now forgotten where I put it! Doh!

[seaforths]

Ho hum. Didn't expect to spend 2 hours on a system restore and to contact the support team of software provider before I could get this done! Seems a recent update wiped out one of my photo editing software progs and the serial number I have to reinstall is invalid! My warranty support runs out in 5 days so I had to get it sorted asap. Anyway, here is a section of the map I was looking at (source IWM/WFA History Maps):

I was trying to find out which division the pdf in your post 92 referred to when I found the map and thought they might be XII Res. It shows IV Reserve Corps? (my clumsy circling in red) but I couldn't find an IV R in the German Divisions book...

Edit: Found IV R - only a little info (must've been tired eyes last night) 7th Reserve and 22nd Reserve Divisions are in the book.

[seaforths]

I will try a search later to see if I can get any hits in the Bavarian records for the units in IX R Corps.

[Phil Evans]

The man in HO4 was from Lindefelde, Hamburg.

His unit at 14.8.14 looks to me like 7 FAR (1. Westfälisches Feldartillerie-Regiment Nr. 7), which was 14 Division, VII Army Corps.

I can't read the bit after, but from the printed section, he was in the Meuse region from early October 1914., moving down to Alsace in December.

14 Division took part in the August battles around Lieges and Namur. The printed section, however, does not tally with their later movements. Was he transferred, or have I misread 7 FAR?

Phil

[seaforths]

The man in HO4 was from Lindefelde, Hamburg.

His unit at 14.8.14 looks to me like 7 FAR (1. Westfälisches Feldartillerie-Regiment Nr. 7), which was 14 Division, VII Army Corps.

I can't read the bit after, but from the printed section, he was in the Meuse region from early October 1914., moving down to Alsace in December.

14 Division took part in the August battles around Lieges and Namur. The printed section, however, does not tally with their later movements. Was he transferred, or have I misread 7 FAR?

Phil

Yes Phil, Looks like 7 FAR then something I can’t quite make out, followed by abl. RD1. So I don’t think you have misread it. Unfortunately, what follows, other than the dates which are pretty clear, is not easy to read and it doesn’t get any better zooming in either. My eyes are addled from stitching maps together last night but I cannot make out any more detail than the ones you have picked up.

This guy only had the one record sheet whereas, some of the others had several sheets. I did wonder whether I should have included those with artillery records or not. Also, I am guessing that if the 14th Division were part of the attacking force, they would not be involved as an occupying army in the same way as the IX Reserves. It seems too that some of the Reserves were part of the attacking forces and moving forward with them so I need to do a little more work on the other two I mentioned (III and IV).

Also, in the account on Louvain regarding Hermann Otto (page 2, #47), he mentioned that the Poles and Bavarians were shooting at each other - Poles?? Which units might have been Poles??

I have to do a bit of work on Ancestry over the weekend so I will leave my Bavarian hunt until then (hopefully Saturday).