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museumtom Posted 20 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 20 August , 2019 Census. https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC%2F1901%2F1276-1278%2F0486&parentid=GBC%2F1901%2F0011198501 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 20 August , 2019 Share Posted 20 August , 2019 28 minutes ago, museumtom said: There is a pension ledger for a #41955 William Patrick Downes, RFA. It doesn't show any additional info. Another ledger for Killiam Patrick Downs with the same service number. Shows the man was of Prices Street, Fermoy and RFA BSM. No further details. https://www.westernfrontassociation.com:2061/image/645019929?terms=1019,41955 Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 20 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 20 August , 2019 Bob says that Downes has a listing in Folder3. If his records do not exist, I reckon folder 3 might be his last hope. Thanks to Bob and everyone working on him. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 20 August , 2019 Share Posted 20 August , 2019 1 minute ago, museumtom said: Bob says that Downes has a listing in Folder3. If his records do not exist, I reckon folder 3 might be his last hope. Thanks to Bob and everyone working on him. Kind regards. Tom. See my post above that crossed with yours. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 20 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 20 August , 2019 Thank you very much Craig, Yes indeed that is our man. Lived in Herts, Great find Craig, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 20 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 20 August , 2019 (edited) I still have hope that somewheres out there the vital sheet might turn up, though. Edited 20 August , 2019 by museumtom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 20 August , 2019 Share Posted 20 August , 2019 (edited) This shows he was admitted to 28 General Hospital in late 1918 with influenza. Does not get us any further. MSM in peace Gazette. Card is stamped Salonica. 1914 Star qualifying date is 14/9/14. Edited 20 August , 2019 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 20 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 20 August , 2019 Thank you for those Mark, it all helps to be sure. If the critical sheet could be found I am sure it would have been found by now though. He will still be remembered with the Irishmen. Thanks to all who helped with this hard one, I will try not to make it as difficult next time, but no promises!! Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 21 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 21 August , 2019 I think these are the same man. I cannot find the critical page. Can you help please? https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FICRC%2FC_G1_E_04_01_0054%2F0183&parentid=GBM%2FICRC%2FR%2F386084 https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBM%2FSILVERWAR%2FBADGES%2F147410 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 21 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 21 August , 2019 Census. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1911&surname=denis&firstname=kelleher&county19011911=&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&parish=&ward=&barony=&townland=&houseNumber=&ded=&age=&sex=&search=Search Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 21 August , 2019 Share Posted 21 August , 2019 Morning Tom, Name: Denis Kelleher Rank: Pte Birth Date: 1888 Residence Place: Cork Military Service Region: Ireland, Ireland Discharge Date: 21 Jan 1919 Service Number: 9082 Regiment: Conn Rangers Title: Pension Record Cards Description: Pension Record Ledger Reference Number: 13/MK/406 This is Fold3 Pension on Ancestry-no access for me so you need another helper! https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=61588&h=233296&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Yiy21604&_phstart=successSource George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 21 August , 2019 Share Posted 21 August , 2019 To add to the interest-same age, name etc in Irish Records http://census.militaryarchives.ie/pdf/Cork_County_Gaol_Southern_Division_Page_16.pdf Possibly him? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 21 August , 2019 Share Posted 21 August , 2019 (edited) Kelleher The WFA card has the same address as the POW record. Gives a YoB of 1888 that seems wrong. Neurasthenia "Due". Looks as though he was badly affected as the level of disability never falls below 60%. Poor chap. His number has been written as 9082. Discharged 21/1/19 https://www.fold3.com/image/645044264 His MIC is 9082 shows him as PoW, In theatre from 14/8/14. Rolls show 2 Battn. Connaughts, SWB Roll has enlisted 16/2/07 and age on discharge as 30 years and 35 days which would suggest he lied about his age on attestation. We seem to have a conflict here. One record says died 1917 and another SWB and discharged 1919. So 2 Denis Kellehers living in same street? Cousins? Suffice it to say that 9082 is not the chap who died in 1917 Memorial of man who died 1917 https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/179112798 Edited 21 August , 2019 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 21 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 21 August , 2019 Excellent research, Mark, it will take a bit of following to to straighten this out. I am on it. Thanks again for you help Mark, George and Bob. Excellent sleuthing indeed!! Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 21 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 21 August , 2019 OK so, let us gather our thoughts on this one. 9082 is not our man. I had considered him a possible but your research shows it is not him. Could it be that Denis who died in 1917 he was not in the army at all? That seem to be the only possibility I reckon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 21 August , 2019 Share Posted 21 August , 2019 (edited) Okay... 9082 Connaught Rangers is Kellcher on FMP as a PoW 9082 2nd Connaught Rangers is Kelleher on FMP as a PoW 9082 2nd C R D Kelleher arrived in Holland from Germany in October 1918 for internment ...as well as 9028 Kelleher POW from 1914 George Edited 21 August , 2019 by George Rayner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 21 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 21 August , 2019 Thanks George this confirms my suspicions, he was alive after 1917 so it is not him. Thanks George! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 22 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 22 August , 2019 OK guys and gals, we did him before and was accepted by IFCP, no 146898. Back to your comfortable settees and slippers!! Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 23 August , 2019 Share Posted 23 August , 2019 Unfortunately the WFA card does not have the disability or if it was "due" showing. The address is the same. https://www.fold3.com/image/645055137 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 23 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 23 August , 2019 (edited) Thank you Mark, I was hoping that it would say due or agg in there. However Bob mentioned a page that has in pencil 'colitis due' so happy days, he is off to Terry for consderation. Thanks again Mark and Bob!! Kind regards. Tom. Edited 23 August , 2019 by ss002d6252 edited by mod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 23 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 23 August , 2019 He's through! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 26 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 26 August , 2019 Good to be back lads and lassies. Can you help with this one please? He was a Corporal and served with the R.D.F. I reckon he might be https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F007397912%2F00403&parentid=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F7397912%2F35%2F403 But there is nothing in his records that show what he was discharged with. He may not even be the right lad at all but he was the only one I could find in FMP that was a possible contender. Can you help please? Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 26 August , 2019 Share Posted 26 August , 2019 4 minutes ago, museumtom said: Good to be back lads and lassies. Can you help with this one please? He was a Corporal and served with the R.D.F. I reckon he might be https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F007397912%2F00403&parentid=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F7397912%2F35%2F403 But there is nothing in his records that show what he was discharged with. He may not even be the right lad at all but he was the only one I could find in FMP that was a possible contender. Can you help please? Kind regards. Tom. Don't think it's the same man - 19 in Oct 1914 in the service record, 29 in Aug 1920 on the death cert. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 26 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 26 August , 2019 (edited) Gotcha, thank you Craig. Edited 26 August , 2019 by museumtom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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