George Rayner Posted 5 September , 2019 Share Posted 5 September , 2019 Same as In Memoriam George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 5 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 5 September , 2019 On 02/09/2019 at 20:56, IPT said: This looks like him on the 1911, aged 55, born in Louth http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Monkstown/Charlotte_Place/900930/ Could be 53854/1753B born 16/9/1855, served from 1871 to 1905; https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7134297 https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7945987 Sorry IPT I missed your post, thank you kindly for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little bob Posted 5 September , 2019 Share Posted 5 September , 2019 2 hours ago, museumtom said: Bingo well spotted Bob! On the ball! It wasn't me guv, honest. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 5 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 5 September , 2019 (edited) Oh yes it was, you found George Connell, I had not considered that. Edited 5 September , 2019 by museumtom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little bob Posted 6 September , 2019 Share Posted 6 September , 2019 Is your message box full ? Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 6 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 6 September , 2019 Not anymore, sorry about that Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 6 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 6 September , 2019 Terry says it is all circumstantial and the pension record says he is Michael. Feck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little bob Posted 6 September , 2019 Share Posted 6 September , 2019 (edited) Steady now.So you have found 1/8560 Sergeant Michael O'connell Royal Munster Fusiliers,who is not recorded by the CWGC. Try and see if Terry will accept him as Michael. Looks like one man lost and another one found. Bob Edited 6 September , 2019 by little bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 6 September , 2019 Share Posted 6 September , 2019 11 minutes ago, little bob said: So you have found 1/8560 Sergeant Michael O'connell Royal Munster Fusiliers,who is not recorded by the CWGC. Try and see if Terry will accept him as Michael. Looks like one man lost and another one found. Bob One way or another in respect of any alias there should be enough for that man to be listed, whoever he may be. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 6 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 6 September , 2019 Thanks lads there lies the problem. Michael and george are one in the same I am convinced of it. If Michael is to be accepted then I need a death cert, and it does not exist, I have looked, see the bind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 6 September , 2019 Share Posted 6 September , 2019 An another point I think this is possibly the family in 1911 - sans George but with Michael http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Cork_No__4/Widderlings_Hill/393304/ The 'Michael' who died would have been a serving soldier in 1911 so, although we can't prove it, I think George took on Michael's identity when he enlisted in the RMF, Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 6 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 6 September , 2019 I get that Craig, and agree. The thing is.................is Michael George, or is George Michael? And if he is, who is who and where does it say that? If we can get that he qualifies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 6 September , 2019 Share Posted 6 September , 2019 Just now, museumtom said: I get that Craig, and agree. The thing is.................is Michael George, or is George Michael? And if he is, who is who and where does it say that? If we can get that he qualifies! You know what my views on a lot of the 'evidential side is 'Soldier Michael' cannot be MIchael if the 1911 census is the right one as he would be serving, and not at home in Ireland as per the census. George however isn't there in 1911. I suspect he was found out at the end when he was dying but... Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 6 September , 2019 Share Posted 6 September , 2019 Here is Michael in FWR First Name: Michael Surname: O'Connell Incident Details: Sickness Information: Particulars furnished: Cork, 08/11/1916. Badges and certificates issued: Cork, 27/11/1916. Rank: Sergeant Service Number: 1/8560 Service From Date: 22/06/1907 Service To Date: 20/10/1916 Silver War Badge Number: 83194 War Office Ref. Number: A/46 Reason for Discharge: Paragraph 392 King's Regulations (xvi) No longer physically fit for war service. Overseas: Yes Service: British Army Primary Unit: Royal Munster Fusiliers Archive Reference: SWB3006 https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/records/8915287/sergeant-michael-oconnell-british-army-royal-munster-fusiliers/ This may be something we know already but I think I fell off at the roundabout! George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 6 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 6 September , 2019 Thank you Craig. That's is a real classy bit of research Craig!! If he is in the overseas Census then he would not be in the home census. Thank you George, I did not have his SWB research. If only it said George. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 6 September , 2019 Share Posted 6 September , 2019 7 minutes ago, museumtom said: Thank you Craig. That's is a real classy bit of research Craig!! If he is in the overseas Census then he would not be in the home census. Thank you George, I did not have his SWB research. If only it said George. Kind regards. Tom. Michael in 1911 https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=2352&h=39057963&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=uJS393&_phstart=successSource Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 6 September , 2019 Share Posted 6 September , 2019 Who? George or Michael? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 6 September , 2019 Share Posted 6 September , 2019 So - can anyone else find a likely candidate for the family in 1911 (other than the census I mentioned earlier in post #2990) Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 6 September , 2019 Share Posted 6 September , 2019 A year missing from service though...? Post 2744 George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 6 September , 2019 Share Posted 6 September , 2019 1 minute ago, George Rayner said: Who? George or Michael? George The man serving as Michael. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 6 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 6 September , 2019 All Michael, George is only in the DC and newspaper reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 6 September , 2019 Share Posted 6 September , 2019 How about this? https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fwo363-4%2f007280342%2f02937&parentid=gbm%2fwo363-4%2f7280342%2f222%2f2930 Or have you got that already courtesy of FMP George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 6 September , 2019 Share Posted 6 September , 2019 https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fwo363-4%2f007280342%2f02944&parentid=gbm%2fwo363-4%2f7280342%2f222%2f2930 That should do it for Michael!! George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 6 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 6 September , 2019 (edited) Good man George, but it was posted earlier. the Problem is there is no DC for Michael only for George. If we can prove they are one and the same we would be motorin'. Having said all that Terry has added him the the 'possibles.' Edited 6 September , 2019 by museumtom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 6 September , 2019 Share Posted 6 September , 2019 Oh Sorry! George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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