museumtom Posted 6 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 6 September , 2019 We forgive you!! don't we chaps and capesses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 6 September , 2019 Share Posted 6 September , 2019 Name: Michael O'Connell Estimated birth year: abt 1895 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1917 Death Age: 22 Registration district: Croom Volume: 5 Page: 118 FHL Film Number: 0101607 https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=2534&h=5568806&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Yiy22060&_phstart=successSource ??????? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 6 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 6 September , 2019 Interesting George, let me see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 6 September , 2019 Share Posted 6 September , 2019 (edited) Oh well... Also trying to find his birth in Lancashire... George Edited 6 September , 2019 by George Rayner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 6 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 6 September , 2019 Go on ya good thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 6 September , 2019 Share Posted 6 September , 2019 We are trying to find that Michael O'Connell RMF #8560 is George Connell aren't we? Or is he George O'Connell? It's been a very long day sorting WW2 exhibition and I'm a little addled George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 6 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 6 September , 2019 This is what we are up against. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Cork_No__4/Widderlings_Hill/393304/ http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/North_West_Ward/Waggetts_Lane/1162940/ Sometimes they drop the 'o' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 6 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 6 September , 2019 We reckon that George used his brothers name to enlist. He served with his brothers name and only when he died was his true name George added to the pot, on his DC. His date of death, George that is, is the same as Michaels, Georges on his death cert and Michael's in his records. We reckon these are one and the same person. The fact that the family sometime drop the 'O' from their sirname does not help proceedings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 6 September , 2019 Share Posted 6 September , 2019 (edited) Coming late to the party. I think the case that Michael is really George would be helped if we can determine what happened to Michael. We know that Michael (probably George) died 11/12/17. If we can prove the real Michael died at another time the case becomes very strong. Edited 6 September , 2019 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 7 September , 2019 Share Posted 7 September , 2019 Right- Michael aged 12 and George aged 10 in 1901 Census (but as Connell) George joins as Michael in 1907-aged 16(?) Michael aged 23 in 1911 Census (but as O'Connell) no George George as Michael in military census 1911 #8560 RMF Looking for death of Michael after 1911 either as Connell or O'Connell because George died as Michael in 1917 and buried at Curraghkillane December. Perhaps Michael died as George? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 7 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 7 September , 2019 Yes George that is it in a nutshell. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 7 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 7 September , 2019 He made it!!!! Yaay!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 7 September , 2019 Share Posted 7 September , 2019 46 minutes ago, museumtom said: He made it!!!! Yaay!! As Michael or as George (serving as Michael)? Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 7 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 7 September , 2019 That was the way it was this morning, but doubt has crept in. It is accepted that George used the alias Michael and served as Michael, but is is hard to prove outright Craig. '' Why would Michael be called George – his brother’s name? I accept that all the details match the Michael in the military records but there is no explanation of the use of ‘George’. If that can be solved or a DC found with the name ‘Michael’, we can move forward.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 7 September , 2019 Share Posted 7 September , 2019 As he had enlisted earlier as George and been found out I suspect he simply used Michael's details to try and ensure that the Army couldn't link up his actual details when he tried again a year or so later. Of course, proving it may be impossible. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 7 September , 2019 Share Posted 7 September , 2019 That service number in the in memoriam was the clincher for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 7 September , 2019 Share Posted 7 September , 2019 Well done anyway. Another lad remembered. Or is it two? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 8 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 8 September , 2019 Thank you IPT and George. There will be multiple notes attached to this one to explain all the circumstantial stuff but I am not sure how the CWGC will list him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 8 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 8 September , 2019 OK guys and gals I was given a lead that maybe the answer would be in the absent voters list. But I dont have a clue where to start with that. Can you help please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 8 September , 2019 Share Posted 8 September , 2019 59 minutes ago, museumtom said: OK guys and gals I was given a lead that maybe the answer would be in the absent voters list. But I dont have a clue where to start with that. Can you help please? Not sure if they exist for Ireland for that period (and assuming they did/do, would they have qualified as voters at the time) ? Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 8 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 8 September , 2019 (edited) Ok so , thanks for trying. Edited 8 September , 2019 by museumtom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 8 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 8 September , 2019 Sorry Craig, I do not know, I am clutching at straws/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 8 September , 2019 Share Posted 8 September , 2019 There 2 sets of pension ledgers for #8560 Michael https://www.westernfrontassociation.com:2061/image/645807179?terms=8560,1019 https://www.westernfrontassociation.com:2061/image/645804197?terms=8560,1019 Neither raises the issue of the name however if it was actually Michael who died then it does confirm death was 11/12/17 of phtisis. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 8 September , 2019 Share Posted 8 September , 2019 On 07/09/2019 at 06:22, museumtom said: Welcome Mark, and thank you. I did a trawl for Michaels DC last night without success. George is in the newspaper deaths and in memoriams for 1917, 1918 and 1919 and then nothing. No news on Michael. The only item that might help is the attached image.Which shows George with Michaels number. Still Terry has him in the possibles folder. He agrees that George is Michael but he need more. Perhaps one page that says Michael is an alias, perhaps a note in his pension? Searching for the real Michael I realised this states "deeply regretted by mother, sister and brother". Therefore, we know that the real Michael, assuming our theory is correct, was still alive in 1917. The census returns only show one brother and sister in 1901 and 1911. So any death, or any other record for Michael, after 1917 should prove the case. However, lots of searching and the lack of postwar Irish records on-line seem an insumountable object for this researcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 8 September , 2019 Share Posted 8 September , 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, museumtom said: OK guys and gals I was given a lead that maybe the answer would be in the absent voters list. But I dont have a clue where to start with that. Can you help please? Absent Voters' Lists only appear to exist for the following 3 counties, 2 in the North: -Armagh -Derry/Londonderry (Originals available to view online at the Public Record Office for Northern Ireland: https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/absent-voters-lists-0) and County Carlow in the Republic. I haven't seen any references to any lists surviving for the Dublin or Cork areas. A great shame. Edited 8 September , 2019 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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