neverforget Posted 19 February , 2023 Share Posted 19 February , 2023 Yes, I too stumbled across one or two on my travels, including this one, whom I predict will be extremely short lived... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 19 February , 2023 Share Posted 19 February , 2023 22 minutes ago, neverforget said: Yes, I too stumbled across one or two on my travels, including this one, whom I predict will be extremely short lived... Is she Nathalie Bucknall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 19 February , 2023 Share Posted 19 February , 2023 No, we can exclude the fairer sex with this one. Came out of WW1 with three limbs less than he went in with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 19 February , 2023 Share Posted 19 February , 2023 He was later to join the Nazi party, which was pretty unusual being a communist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 19 February , 2023 Share Posted 19 February , 2023 A red beard made him very well known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkley remembers Posted 19 February , 2023 Share Posted 19 February , 2023 1 hour ago, neverforget said: A red beard made him very well known. Frederick Barbarossa....sorry being flippant. Taking the dog out for a walk will try and have a look at this when I get back especially as you have provided a multitude of clues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 19 February , 2023 Share Posted 19 February , 2023 29 minutes ago, ilkley remembers said: Frederick Barbarossa....sorry being flippant. Taking the dog out for a walk will try and have a look at this when I get back especially as you have provided a multitude of clues You might be closer than you realise 😉 Eventually lost his life because of his exploits, but my, what an outstanding man he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 19 February , 2023 Share Posted 19 February , 2023 I don't think that any spy in history has a cv or accolades to match this bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 19 February , 2023 Share Posted 19 February , 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, neverforget said: “…this one, whom I predict will be extremely short lived...” Er, no. I’m nowhere with this. Edited 19 February , 2023 by Uncle George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 19 February , 2023 Share Posted 19 February , 2023 15 minutes ago, Uncle George said: I’m nowhere with this. Welcome to my world. should be an interesting read when someone ids him. sounds like a true story that would be rejected as a script.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 19 February , 2023 Share Posted 19 February , 2023 Sudden burst of inspiration just as I was posting. It's Richard Sorge..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 19 February , 2023 Share Posted 19 February , 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Fattyowls said: Sudden burst of inspiration just as I was posting. It's Richard Sorge..... Indeed so Pete. Well done. Red beard = Barbarossa. Comments about Sorge by famous personalities include: "A devastating example of a brilliant success of espionage". – Douglas MacArthur, General of the Army[93] "His work was impeccable." – Kim Philby "In my whole life, I have never met anyone as great as he was." – Mitsusada Yoshikawa, Chief Prosecutor in the Sorge trials who obtained Sorge's death sentence. "Sorge was the man whom I regard as the most formidable spy in history." – Ian Fleming "Richard Sorge was the best spy of all time." – Tom Clancy "The spy who changed the world". – Lance Morrow "Somehow, amidst the Bonds and Smiley's People, we have ignored the greatest of 20th century spy stories – that of Stalin's Sorge, whose exploits helped change history." – Carl Bernstein "Richard Sorge's brilliant espionage work saved Stalin and the Soviet Union from defeat in the fall of 1941, probably prevented a Nazi victory in World War II and thereby assured the dimensions of the world we live in today." – Larry Collins "The spies in history who can say from their graves, the information I supplied to my masters, for better or worse, altered the history of our planet, can be counted on the fingers of one hand. Richard Sorge was in that group." – Frederick Forsyth "Stalin's James Bond". – Le Figaro https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Sorge Edited 19 February , 2023 by neverforget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 19 February , 2023 Share Posted 19 February , 2023 5 hours ago, neverforget said: Came out of WW1 with three limbs less than he went in with. This took me down many a wrong path. And, indeed, it doesn’t seem to fit the facts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 19 February , 2023 Share Posted 19 February , 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Uncle George said: This took me down many a wrong path. And, indeed, it doesn’t seem to fit the facts From his wiki page: "He served on the Western Front and was severely wounded there in March 1916. Shrapnel severed three of his fingers and broke both his legs, causing a lifelong limp. In November 1929, Sorge was instructed by the the Government Political Administration (GPU) to join the Nazi Party and to break off contact with his left-wing friends. Elsa Poretsky, the wife of Ignace Reiss, a fellow agent in the GPU, commented: "His joining the Nazi Party in his own country, where he had a well documented police record was hazardous, to say the least... his staying in the very lion's den in Berlin, while his application for membership was being processed, was indeed flirting with death. Such actions were typical of... his superb self-assurance." Sorge is most famous for his service in Japan in 1940 and 1941, when he provided information about Adolf Hitler's plan to attack the Soviet Union. Edited 19 February , 2023 by neverforget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 19 February , 2023 Share Posted 19 February , 2023 59 minutes ago, neverforget said: From his wiki page: "He served on the Western Front and was severely wounded there in March 1916. Shrapnel severed three of his fingers and broke both his legs, causing a lifelong limp. In November 1929, Sorge was instructed by the the Government Political Administration (GPU) to join the Nazi Party and to break off contact with his left-wing friends. Elsa Poretsky, the wife of Ignace Reiss, a fellow agent in the GPU, commented: "His joining the Nazi Party in his own country, where he had a well documented police record was hazardous, to say the least... his staying in the very lion's den in Berlin, while his application for membership was being processed, was indeed flirting with death. Such actions were typical of... his superb self-assurance." Sorge is most famous for his service in Japan in 1940 and 1941, when he provided information about Adolf Hitler's plan to attack the Soviet Union. Well we learn something every day. I retract my slur. [Voltaire would have appreciated that, er, misdirection 🙂] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 19 February , 2023 Share Posted 19 February , 2023 15 minutes ago, Uncle George said: Well we learn something every day. I retract my slur. [Voltaire would have appreciated that, er, misdirection 🙂] Not sure which "misdirection" you mean, but clearly my last couple of W.I.T.s haven't gone down too well, though I thought they were ok candidates, with pretty reasonable clues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 19 February , 2023 Share Posted 19 February , 2023 10 minutes ago, neverforget said: Not sure which "misdirection" you mean, but clearly my last couple of W.I.T.s haven't gone down too well, though I thought they were ok candidates, with pretty reasonable clues. Excellent candidates, which I found difficult to crack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ridgus Posted 28 February , 2023 Share Posted 28 February , 2023 Well I take a look at this thread for the first time in years, and what do I find on the most recent page? My favourite forum pals still chuntering away and unearthing fascinating people of whom I have never heard! Gosh it seems a long time ago we started out on this never-ending quest (thick end of a decade?) Anyway great to see it (and you) are still going strong and greetings and good wishes from an old comrade David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 28 February , 2023 Share Posted 28 February , 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, David Ridgus said: Well I take a look at this thread for the first time in years, and what do I find on the most recent page? My favourite forum pals still chuntering away and unearthing fascinating people of whom I have never heard! Gosh it seems a long time ago we started out on this never-ending quest (thick end of a decade?) Anyway great to see it (and you) are still going strong and greetings and good wishes from an old comrade David So good to hear from you David; made my day in fact. The old band is gradually coming back together. Very best wishes from Brummagem...Steve. P.s. Good luck with the updating of the stats. Edited 28 February , 2023 by neverforget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 28 February , 2023 Share Posted 28 February , 2023 5 minutes ago, David Ridgus said: Anyway great to see it (and you) are still going strong and greetings and good wishes from an old comrade And the self same sentiments to you sir, I see your still located in “THE” county😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 28 February , 2023 Share Posted 28 February , 2023 28 minutes ago, David Ridgus said: chuntering away Perhaps one of the more polite words that could be used. I aspire to chuntering. I have been saving up a photo for your return, if only I could find it....... 22 minutes ago, neverforget said: The old band is gradually coming back together Will you be touring to support the greatest hits CD? 26 minutes ago, neverforget said: thick end of a decade As Sam Goldwyn reputedly said "a lot of water has been passed since then....". F. Owls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ridgus Posted 28 February , 2023 Share Posted 28 February , 2023 15 minutes ago, Fattyowls said: Will you be touring to support the greatest hits CD? F. Owls. Well if such a CD were ever produced I hope it would include the memorable Sunday evening when the thread spent several hours swapping pictures of members of the Vorticists who all seemed to have some connection with the war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ridgus Posted 28 February , 2023 Share Posted 28 February , 2023 49 minutes ago, neverforget said: P.s. Good luck with the updating of the stats. Kind of you to remember my sad OCD focus Steve. Now I've retired there is less excuse for not updating them but as my records only ran to page 204 and this has now just clicked over to page 664 I think I might need a a tad more than 'Good luck' !! But as Pete would no doubt tell you I keep myself occupied by bombarding him and his long suffering sister with cricket stats, that they politely pretend to find interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ridgus Posted 28 February , 2023 Share Posted 28 February , 2023 56 minutes ago, Knotty said: And the self same sentiments to you sir, I see your still located in “THE” county😁 Thank you Knotty. Yes I'm afraid my cousin's attempt to find us some interesting antecedents foundered early in the 19th century as it became clear that our long line of illiterate farm labouring ancestors had managed to make it from a field in Goring to Reading at some point at the tail end of Victoria's reign but had then decided that this was quite enough of an odyssey and have resolutely refused to move since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 1 March , 2023 Share Posted 1 March , 2023 9 hours ago, Fattyowls said: Will you be touring to support the greatest hits CD? F. Owls. Will We be touring you mean. 9 hours ago, David Ridgus said: members of the Vorticists who all seemed to have some connection with the war That would be a... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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