ilkley remembers Posted 5 March , 2023 Share Posted 5 March , 2023 1 hour ago, Uncle George said: Yes. Yes it is. This young woman used her cover as a pretty peasant girl of the Midi. She was discovered by the Marseilles police skulking in a fort embrasure making a sketch of a gun. She was tried as a spy and put to death. There was a woman called felice Pfaat executed for spying in Marseilles in August 1916. Can't find anything else about her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 5 March , 2023 Share Posted 5 March , 2023 7 minutes ago, ilkley remembers said: There was a woman called felice Pfaat executed for spying in Marseilles in August 1916. Can't find anything else about her That’s not her, no. The subject if this WiT has been described as, “one of the craftiest spies of the Wilhelmstrasse.” She was sent to Britain at the start if the war- “the chief aim of her mission was to enthral Lord Kitchener,” using her “strange powers of allurement, which had so often wrecked the hearts of lesser men.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkley remembers Posted 5 March , 2023 Share Posted 5 March , 2023 18 minutes ago, Uncle George said: her mission was to enthral Lord Kitchener,” using her “strange powers of allurement, which had so often wrecked the hearts of lesser men.” Probably barking up the wrong tree there then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 5 March , 2023 Share Posted 5 March , 2023 Just now, ilkley remembers said: Probably barking up the wrong tree there then Indeed. Good luck, Jim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkley remembers Posted 5 March , 2023 Share Posted 5 March , 2023 1 hour ago, Uncle George said: That’s not her, no. The subject if this WiT has been described as, “one of the craftiest spies of the Wilhelmstrasse.” She was sent to Britain at the start if the war- “the chief aim of her mission was to enthral Lord Kitchener,” using her “strange powers of allurement, which had so often wrecked the hearts of lesser men.” Felice Schmidt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 5 March , 2023 Share Posted 5 March , 2023 3 minutes ago, ilkley remembers said: Felice Schmidt? Yes! One can’t help but feel sorry for her. According to a 1918 account, she took one look at Kitchener “and knew this man could no more be tempted or softened by a mere woman’s wiles than could a mountain peak. Her intuition told her how absurd was the plot she had formed. She knew man’s nature. And that experience was enough to show her the hopelessness of her quest”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkley remembers Posted 5 March , 2023 Share Posted 5 March , 2023 5 minutes ago, Uncle George said: Yes! One can’t help but feel sorry for her. According to a 1918 account, she took one look at Kitchener “and knew this man could no more be tempted or softened by a mere woman’s wiles than could a mountain peak. Her intuition told her how absurd was the plot she had formed. She knew man’s nature. And that experience was enough to show her the hopelessness of her quest”. there was another spy theory surrounding the sinking of the Hampshire and the drowning of Kitchener where a German spy set off an explosion on the ship and was later picked up by a u Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
healdav Posted 6 March , 2023 Share Posted 6 March , 2023 17 hours ago, ilkley remembers said: There was a woman called felice Pfaat executed for spying in Marseilles in August 1916. Can't find anything else about her The newspaper Var Matin had an article some years ago about spies in Marseilles in their regular Sunday history page. If you can get into the archives you may be able to trace it. I do seem to remember reading about a spy in Marseilles, but can't remember any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkley remembers Posted 6 March , 2023 Share Posted 6 March , 2023 37 minutes ago, healdav said: The newspaper Var Matin had an article some years ago about spies in Marseilles in their regular Sunday history page. If you can get into the archives you may be able to trace it. I do seem to remember reading about a spy in Marseilles, but can't remember any more. Felice Pfaat was mentioned in a couple of British Newspapers and is a footnote in one or two books about women spies. Felice Schmidt appears to be a little better known perhaps because of her alleged links to Kitchener. There was a film made in 1969 which was loosly based on the latters exploits and those of Elsbeth Schragmuller called Fraulein Doktor staring Suzy Kendall and Kenneth More. Interesting subject might do a little research as you suggested. The French certainly seem to have executed a number of women spies during the war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 6 March , 2023 Share Posted 6 March , 2023 (edited) This rather unassuming looking gentleman actually had a glittering career in WW1, with gongs to match. Served in two of the three services for his adoptive country with great distinction. Edited 6 March , 2023 by neverforget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 6 March , 2023 Share Posted 6 March , 2023 16 minutes ago, neverforget said: This rather unassuming looking gentleman actually had a glittering career in WW1, with gongs to match. Served in two of the three services for his country with great distinction. Is he Eugenio Possolo? He served in the Brazilian Navy and Air Force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 6 March , 2023 Share Posted 6 March , 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Uncle George said: Is he Eugenio Possolo? He served in the Brazilian Navy and Air Force. Not him, and not Brazilian. At this early stage it might be a bit of a giveaway to disclose in which country's forces he served, being one of it's most highly decorated combatants. He was born in East Africa, and performed notably (militarily) for his adoptive country pre war as well as during WW1. Things changed for him come WW2, though not for his lack of trying to participate. Edited 6 March , 2023 by neverforget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 6 March , 2023 Share Posted 6 March , 2023 A tirailleur Somali? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 6 March , 2023 Share Posted 6 March , 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Uncle George said: A tirailleur Somali? Pre war he did lead sharpshooting attack troops up until 1914, but he wasn't a Somali. His country of origin lays on the shore of the Red Sea, so, up a bit. He holds two records /distinctions. The second of which he achieved after WW2, and the first very early in WW1. Edited 6 March , 2023 by neverforget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 6 March , 2023 Share Posted 6 March , 2023 Domenico Mondelli? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 6 March , 2023 Share Posted 6 March , 2023 (edited) Yes, well played. The world's first black military pilot, and Italy's highest ranking black officer. Domenico Mondelli received two silver medals and two bronze medals won by fighting as an airman, soldier and commander of assault troops, and was awarded the title of Knight of the Order of the Italian Crown. In 1920 he volunteered in Albania at the head of the 9th Assault Ward and was awarded his third Bronze Medal. Rising to the rank of lieutenant colonel. Only after the end of World War II did he manage to reach the rank of General of the Army Corps (With the rise and for the duration of fascism, Domenico Mondelli was discriminated against). Domenico Mondelli had joined the Freemasons in 1912 and by 1919, he had become a Master Free Mason. In 1956 Domenico Mondelli had become 33rd degree of the Scottish Rite (the highest degree). https://afropean.com/domenico-mondelli-the-rise-fall-and-restoration-of-a-black-italian-hero/ Edited 6 March , 2023 by neverforget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 7 March , 2023 Share Posted 7 March , 2023 Heroine; honoured more than a dozen times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 7 March , 2023 Admin Share Posted 7 March , 2023 Is that Émilienne Moreau? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 7 March , 2023 Share Posted 7 March , 2023 2 minutes ago, Michelle Young said: Is that Émilienne Moreau? No. Not French but there is a connection to Orléans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 7 March , 2023 Share Posted 7 March , 2023 Another with a first to her name, and another who was also involved in pre war conflicts, attached to vanguard troops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 7 March , 2023 Share Posted 7 March , 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, neverforget said: Heroine; honoured more than a dozen times... How annoying - I’ve seen this photo very recently, but can’t remember her name. (It’s not Suella, is it?) Edited 7 March , 2023 by Uncle George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 7 March , 2023 Share Posted 7 March , 2023 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Uncle George said: How annoying - I’ve seen this photo very recently, but can’t remember her name. (It’s not Suella, is it?) No. More braverwoman than Braverman. Come WW1 she was actually a leader/ commander, acquiring another first or two to her c.v. Edited 7 March , 2023 by neverforget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 7 March , 2023 Share Posted 7 March , 2023 I did mention that she had been honoured more than a dozen times. One more hefty hint before I hit the sack... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tankengine888 Posted 7 March , 2023 Share Posted 7 March , 2023 50 minutes ago, neverforget said: I did mention that she had been honoured more than a dozen times. One more hefty hint before I hit the sack... I REMEMBER! Milunka Savić! I watched a sort of musical video on her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 8 March , 2023 Share Posted 8 March , 2023 8 hours ago, tankengine888 said: I REMEMBER! Milunka Savić! I watched a sort of musical video on her Close, but no cigar I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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