museumtom Posted 28 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 28 May , 2019 (edited) Than you Craig, George and Charlie. The first one to tie it all together is the Folder 3 link. That has his address. That's a great step forward, and the extra from Charlies and Craig will take me a bit of time to pull together, thanks guys! Edited 28 May , 2019 by museumtom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 28 May , 2019 Share Posted 28 May , 2019 5 minutes ago, George Rayner said: no WFA sub George, Fold3 is still free until close of today. Quick quick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 28 May , 2019 Share Posted 28 May , 2019 Yes that's how I knew he was the man-just couldn't look at Craig's reference to compare whether it was the same one we were both looking at George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 28 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 28 May , 2019 Thanks George and Craig, I did manage to get a look at Folder 3, happy days. The critical sheet still eludes us though. Having said all that I am cross eyed after all that. I even called Bob Craig in a PM. Time to unwind the ould eyes. Now then, where's me dog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 28 May , 2019 Share Posted 28 May , 2019 (edited) Here suggests Murphy was still serving But https://www.fold3.com/image/644985828?xid=1022 does not Edited 28 May , 2019 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 28 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 28 May , 2019 Thank you very much Mark it is confusing, but I sent the relevant one to Terry, fingers crossed. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 28 May , 2019 Share Posted 28 May , 2019 19 minutes ago, museumtom said: This Clerk in the Royal Engineers has lots of records on FMP under No 13559, Frederick North. Most of the records are pre war with little on WW1 but it does say he was discharged unfit and the critical sheet is missing. Could someone please have a quick look in another site to see if the critical sheet is there please? Here are the records on FMP but the vital sheet is not in there. https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM/WO363-4/007298974/00344&parentid=GBM/WO363-4/7298974/20/344 Kind regards. Tom. F. Last name North Service number 13559 Rank Sapper Badge number 22972 Enlistment date 22-Jan-1904 Discharge date 27-Mar-1916 Regiment/unit Royal Engineers R.T.D. Cause of discharge 392 (xvi) Sickness Whether served overseas Yes Badge date of issue 17-Feb-1917 Record set Silver War Badge Roll 1914-1920 Category Military, armed forces & conflict Subcategory First World War Collections from England, Great Britain He was discharged as no longer physically fit (oddly enough he seems to have lived for a while in the same street my mother lived in) Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 28 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 28 May , 2019 There you go!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 29 May , 2019 Share Posted 29 May , 2019 There are lots of papers for 13559 North on ancestry here. Cannot find on FMP yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 29 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 29 May , 2019 Thanks Mark, I used your number but not suitable hits on FMP yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 29 May , 2019 Share Posted 29 May , 2019 Here we go. Some interesting letters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 29 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 29 May , 2019 Bingo!! Than you Mark! Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 29 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 29 May , 2019 Can anyone help with this please? I have his SWB but no records and the critical sheet. https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_fn=&_ln=&_no=119439&_crp=&_ttl=&discoveryCustomSearch=true&_cr1=WO+372&_dt=M&_col=200&_hb=tna Michael Last name Payne Service number 119439 Rank Private Badge number B210034 Enlistment date 07-Apr-1915 Discharge date 16-May-1919 Regiment/unit Labour Corps: L.C. ex R.W.F. Cause of discharge Wound 392 xvi Army Order 29/1919 Badge date of issue 16-Jun-1919 Record set Silver War Badge Roll 1914-1920 Category Military, armed forces & conflict Subcategory First World War Collections from England, Great Britain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 29 May , 2019 Share Posted 29 May , 2019 (edited) WFA Card. Death 25-7-19 - no helpful detail. Address in Limerick. Effects record says death on 26/7. No effects distributed. SWB card has him as ex-RWF. Medal roll for BW and VM says 6066 RMF. No Star The SWB roll actually says discharged due to wound. What was the cause of death?. That shows RWF as well. Struggling to find anything else Edited 29 May , 2019 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 29 May , 2019 Share Posted 29 May , 2019 Nothing on Ancestry Pension Records. His MIC is here: MIC Labour Corps, formerly Royal Welsh Fusiliers? I wonder when he enlisted there. I guess the number 119439 is the RWF number if that's who hewas with when he first entered a theatre of war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 29 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 29 May , 2019 Thansk mark and Dyfed. He died from neurasthenia trombosis of misenteric veins operation 5 days certified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little bob Posted 29 May , 2019 Share Posted 29 May , 2019 Soldiers Effects. 119439 Labour Corps Michael Payne discharged 16/5/1919. Died 26 July 1919. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 29 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 29 May , 2019 Good man Bob, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 29 May , 2019 Share Posted 29 May , 2019 May be the man on Army Lists in Ancestry=Fold3 no access Name: John Peterson Birth Date: 28 Apr 1897 Military Year: 1918 Regiment: Labour Corps Rank: Lt https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=60721&h=2150170&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true#?_phcmd=u('https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/categories/39/?name%3DJohn_Peterson%26birth%3D1897%26death%3D1919%26birth_x%3D0-0-0%26location%3D3257.3250%26name_x%3D1_1%26priority%3Dunited-kingdom%26successSource%3DSearch%26queryId%3Dxf0MjSr/kbF76DrdJxUMyw%3D%3D','successSource') George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 29 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 29 May , 2019 Thank you George a great find! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 29 May , 2019 Share Posted 29 May , 2019 Or this one on FMP https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBM/MCI/3492407 George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 29 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 29 May , 2019 (edited) Another good find George, thank you very much for that. Now if we could find some next of kin or birth details we would be motoring! Edited 29 May , 2019 by museumtom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 29 May , 2019 Share Posted 29 May , 2019 45 minutes ago, museumtom said: Are these the same man? Yes, I should think so. John Peterson son of John James Peterson of 30 Wellesley Rd Liverpool, was Lt Devonshire Regt and Hon Lt Labour Corps- SWB Card here and MIC here (but note error on death year on MIC) Charlie Baptism 1913 ! courtesy findmypast. His father was a Mersey Pilot. John was born 28/4/1897 thus 22 at death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 29 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 29 May , 2019 Brilliant find Charlie, thank you very much indeed I know how difficult these officers are to find. I was hoping that there was a connection to the place where he died though. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 29 May , 2019 Share Posted 29 May , 2019 Isn't address on CWGC also Welleseley Road, Liverpool so already remembered? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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