museumtom Posted 2 June , 2019 Author Share Posted 2 June , 2019 Myself and another lad were having a ramble round some buildings in need of repair and I seen this old door with cracked paint and two small poppies with their petals closed because it was raining and I says to meself, 'That would make a nice picture.' And the rest it history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 3 June , 2019 Share Posted 3 June , 2019 Can find what appears to be him in the 1901 and 1911 censuses in and around Portobello Barracks. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Fitzwilliam/Lennox_Place/1306889/ http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_West/Portobello_Barracks/53074/ No other clues so far. There is a family tree on ancestry but no military details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little bob Posted 3 June , 2019 Share Posted 3 June , 2019 Have found MIC, Medal Roll and SWB for Gunner 2546 James Waters RFA. Enlisted 6/7/1908 Discharged 26/7 1915 due to sickness. Pension record on Fold 3. Still looking. Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 3 June , 2019 Share Posted 3 June , 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, little bob said: Have found MIC, Medal Roll and SWB for Gunner 2546 James Waters RFA. Enlisted 6/7/1908 Discharged 26/7 1915 due to sickness. Pension record on Fold 3. Still looking. Bob. Yes I saw him, in the Ancestry Pension records but his year of birth is about 1886, which doesn't tally with the DC. Although they state 'Deceased', they don't give a date of death. (Although near one of the 'Deceased,' stamps is a date stamp for August 1923). On the plus side, his mother was Martha, and his wife was Margaret. Neither is he 53118 RFA (Still alive November 1919). Edited 3 June , 2019 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 3 June , 2019 Author Share Posted 3 June , 2019 Good Lord, you guys are on the ball! Fingers crossed that you nail him down. As I remember the married quarters in Portobello Barracks. they were basic, looked more like a slum, but were self contained. Loads of kids, railings, red brick construction in two levels, in blocks. The only way out of these was upwards, and out of the army. Soldiers who lived in these could not afford civvy accommodation, and lived on 'the clippings of tin.' Keep up the great work lads and lassies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 3 June , 2019 Author Share Posted 3 June , 2019 Mark, I think you have nailed it. It must be him in the Census, well spotted. Bob, a great find, I will do some digging with your info and see what turns up. Dyfed, fair comment, you could very well be right! But then again..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 3 June , 2019 Share Posted 3 June , 2019 (edited) James Waters 2546 RFA was from Sunderland. Born around January 1886 according to Pension Record. Record is stamped 'Deceased', but undated, and although 'August 1923' is stamped nearby, that could be the date that a pension application was made or some other entry in his record. Free BMD gives this Sunderland death for 1924 which matches his age pretty accurately From 1919 Qtr 1 to 1924 Qtr.4, there are only 43 James Waters deaths in England & Wales and this one is the only one compatible with a man born 1886, and it's in Sunderland. Deaths Dec 1924 (>99%) Waters James 38 Sunderland 10a 651 Nowhere in his records is there a reference to the middle name of Thomas, so I don't think the 1919 Dublin death is James Waters 2546 RFA. Edited 3 June , 2019 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 3 June , 2019 Author Share Posted 3 June , 2019 Thank you for that Dyfed. I hate to say it but I reckon you are looking at the wrong lad. Mark posted two Census urls which would fit him I think. Do you agree? I have not found any reference to his second name being Thomas either. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Fitzwilliam/Lennox_Place/1306889/ http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_West/Portobello_Barracks/53074/ Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 3 June , 2019 Share Posted 3 June , 2019 1 hour ago, museumtom said: Thank you for that Dyfed. I hate to say it but I reckon you are looking at the wrong lad. Hi Tom Yes, that's exactly what I was trying to prove. Bob brought up 2546, but I don't think it's him, and nor is it 53118. The man that Mark posted in the censuses is a very good possibility, but he's not either of the above 2 numbers. There are 12 James Waterses on the MIC database in the RFA, and another 12 J.Waterses. I think I've excluded 2 ! William Wheeler Nothing obvious on first scanning - there are a lot of William Wheelers in the Pension Records, but none with an obvious Irish connection, apart from a lad of that name who is a soldier's brother from Co.Wateford- so not him. Interestingly Ancestry states that the brother is in the 'Roy Minors Fus'. What's that then? A regiment for underage soldiers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 3 June , 2019 Author Share Posted 3 June , 2019 Underage soldiers!! good one Dyfed, thank you very much for all the help! Wheeler is such a hard difficult one, no Irish ones that come near. Waters is a hard one, sorry Dyfed I only bring in hard ones as otherwise I would have to pass them by. You know the sort of thing, you look for a few hours, banging your head against a stone wall and nothing is working for you, and are ready to give up but you know there is someone in here that might have the answer you seek. I had considered that he might be listed as Watters, but that idea did not bear fruit, mores the pity. Keep up the good work and thank you again. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 3 June , 2019 Share Posted 3 June , 2019 (edited) Wheeler Possibly 5878 Royal Irish Fusiliers. WFA Card gives Dob as 26/8/19. Address of claimant - aunt. Mrs M A Sandys, 5 Chapel Lane Dundalk edit: Another card give DoD as 24/8/19 and cause as TB so looks to be him. Indicates W/S - whilst serving. Ancestry has under Whisler edit: Another gives his date of discharge as 6/5/19 Edited 3 June , 2019 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 3 June , 2019 Author Share Posted 3 June , 2019 (edited) Brilliant Mark that looks like a real hit. Your number gives me William Last name Wheeler Service number 5878 Rank Private Badge number B224712 Enlistment date 10-Dec-1912 Discharge date 06-May-1919 Regiment/unit Royal Irish Fusiliers Cause of discharge Sickness Para 392 (xvi) Whether served overseas Yes Badge date of issue 09-Jul-1919 Record set Silver War Badge Roll 1914-1920 Category Military, armed forces & conflict Subcategory First World War Collections from England, Great Britain But I cannot find any records...yet! Thanks again Mark! Edited 3 June , 2019 by museumtom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 3 June , 2019 Share Posted 3 June , 2019 (edited) Silver War Badge record shows 10/12/12 to 6/5/19. Sickness and served overseas. 1914/15 Star trio, Into theatre 4/12/14. Rolls show 1 and 2 RIF Edited 3 June , 2019 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 3 June , 2019 Author Share Posted 3 June , 2019 Snap!! Thank you for the MIC I did not have that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 3 June , 2019 Share Posted 3 June , 2019 No existing service papers that I can find so think we are not going to get a lot further. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Louth/Dundalk_Town__part_of/Chapel_Lane__part_of/904240/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 3 June , 2019 Share Posted 3 June , 2019 The was a Lt Edward Simon White, 4th Leinsters, that was commissioned in August 1888. Promoted to Captain in 3rd Inniskilling Fusiliers in February 1892. He was still in the Army List in 1902. I think this is the correct census - http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Glengarriff/Mill_Little/376298/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 3 June , 2019 Share Posted 3 June , 2019 (edited) https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/25597/page/2864/data.pdf - 1886 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/25846/page/4368/data.pdf - 1888 Edited 3 June , 2019 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 3 June , 2019 Author Share Posted 3 June , 2019 That is brilliant, thanks lads. Great work altogether! I assume as he does not have an M.I.C, he would not have served during the war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 3 June , 2019 Author Share Posted 3 June , 2019 Bingo, I got it! Thanks for looking anyway lads and lassies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 4 June , 2019 Author Share Posted 4 June , 2019 May I please have a lookup for this soldier. I reckon his wife is Bridget Mary Allum but there is nothing in FMP that helps. Can you help me please? https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/726546/allum,-edward-james/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 4 June , 2019 Share Posted 4 June , 2019 18 minutes ago, museumtom said: May I please have a lookup for this soldier. I reckon his wife is Bridget Mary Allum but there is nothing in FMP that helps. Can you help me please? https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/726546/allum,-edward-james/ His wife is shown on the effects as 'May E'. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 4 June , 2019 Author Share Posted 4 June , 2019 Thank you very much Craig. I was hoping it was Bridget Mary. Such is life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little bob Posted 4 June , 2019 Share Posted 4 June , 2019 Family tree on Ancestry, married May Esther Marshall 1911. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 4 June , 2019 Share Posted 4 June , 2019 Morning Tom, I see you've sent your liquid sunshine in this direction. Collins (There's a famous name !) and McLoughlin both proving a bit elusive at the moment. I'll look again later. (Curiously, an Edward Collins, Pte.RWF is buried in Cardiff, also died the same day- St. Patrick's 1920). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 4 June , 2019 Author Share Posted 4 June , 2019 Thanks Dyfed, We kept a lot of the liquid sunshine for ourselves and are spreading it all round the country as we speak. At this stage most of us have webbed feet! Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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