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Morning Tom

Name: Nicholas Somers
Rank: Pte
Record Type: Disability
Birth Date: 1876
Residence Place: Callan Co Kilkenny
Military Service Region: Ireland, Ireland
Discharge Date: 16 Dec 1918
Service Number: 414894
Corps, Regiment or Unit: Labour Corps
Service Branch: Military (Army)
Title: PRC Ledgers
Description: Pension Record Ledger
Reference Number: 13/MS/168
Next of Kin:
Name Relation to Soldier
Nicholas Somers

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=61588&h=338046&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=cIF1185&_phstart=successSource

 

Name: Nicholas Somers
Gender: Male
Rank: Pte
Record Type: Card
Death Date: 30 Jun 1920
Service Number: 414894
Corps, Regiment or Unit: Labour Corps
Title: Pension Record Cards
Description: Other Ranks Died Snowdon A-Sorrell S
Next of Kin:
Name Relation to Soldier
Nicholas Somers  
Julia Somers Widow
Robert Gdn Guardian
John Somers Gu

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=61588&h=21937325&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=cIF1186&_phstart=successSource

 

On Ancestry Tom and Fold3-so no current access

 

George

 

 

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Thank you George, great finds. I am hoping the disability attrib or caused, as the records dont have it maybe folder3 will.

Kindest regards.

 Tom.

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Thank you Craig, I was hoping it would attrib or caused by. I cannot find this in his records either. I appreciate your help very much indeed.

 Thank you kindly.

 Tom.

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These are from 1911 Antrim, so just the Ballyclare lad fits

Dave

 

Surname Forename Townland/Street DED County Age Sex
Fleming Thomas Bazaar Street Portrush Town Antrim 11 M
Fleming Thomas Riverside Street Antrim Urban Antrim 17 M
Fleming Thomas Ballyclare Urban (part of) Ballyclare Urban Antrim 15 M
Fleming Thomas Damascus Street Cromac Antrim 18 M
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On the ball Dave.

The problem is we do not know if this was a local lad.

 I do know there was a lad from Antrim, with the Royal Irish Rifles, discharged/demobbed in 1919. I thought it might be him but why would he have been sent from a Belfast Hospital to a Carlow asylum? There were usually sent to an asylum or sanitorium near where they lived.

Thanks for trying.

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As you say the info is scant, just a few on the 1911 with dob 1897/8 on FamilySearch

Dave

 

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There is a family tree on ancestry that refers to a Thomas Fleming dying in Carlow on 16/1/21. Parents  Thomas and Bridget nee McEvoy Gives a birth date of 22/2/1895

This would appear to be the relevant 1901 census entry

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Tankard_s_Town/Tankard_s_Town/1044231/

There is the baptism record but no documentary evidence to support death date. Digging 

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There is a Royal Irish Fusilier 27936 discharged 7/11/19. Address on Pension Card is Lunatic Asylum, Carlow. Discharge due to "Dementia". No indication of aggravated or attributable

https://www.fold3.com/image/645028251

Appears a likely candidate

Has an SWB record

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBM%2FSILVERWAR%2FBADGES%2F166421

Medal roll show previously G/5808 Royal Irish Regiment (1 L Bn & 1 Gn Bn - assume means line and garrison) and was 2nd Battalion RIF. Pair only. 

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F007303010%2F01034&parentid=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F7303010%2F52%2F1034

Shows transferred to 2 RIF from the Royal Irish on 27/12/17

 

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Goodness me Mark, that was stunning!! I had not expected to find anything on this soldier. Does his folder3 say Atrib or caused by please?

 

Great work indeed Mark, full marks, and thank you for all that.

Kind regards.

 Tom.

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7 minutes ago, museumtom said:

Does his folder3 say Atrib or caused by please?

No. Sadly not. No service papers apart from the one page. So one to be remembered but think that is it

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That is sad, but he will be remembered with the Irishmen just the same. This would not have happened if you did not find him. Great work altogether, I really appreciate all you have done Mark.

Kind regards.

 Tom.

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Sorry, not been about, been working on David Tattersfield's Pension Card project for the Western Front Association. Will be for some time to come. So just dipping in and out the GWF as light relief. 

2 RIF were in Egypt/Palestine from Sept 1917

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Excellent, keep up the good work Mark!

Kind regards.

 Tom.

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Correction, RIRif James Ducie is not his son.

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Here is one of them!

Name: James Ducie
Gender: Male
Rank: Pte
Record Type: Disability
Birth Date: 1897
Residence Place: Hanover Mills Carlow
Military Service Region: Ireland, Ireland
Discharge Date: 8 Dec 1916
Service Number: 28035
Corps, Regiment or Unit: R Innis Fus
Service Branch: Military (Army)
Title: PRC Ledgers
Description:

Pension Record Ledger

 

So he must the first one you posted as discharge is December 1916 and the second one was already dead.

 

George

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Thank you George, you are o the ball. 

After a review, I see that the James we are looking for was discharged in 1905. So please ignore my request, he had no WW1 service.

Thank you for trying just the same!!

Kind regards.

 Tom.

 

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The other one

Name: James Ducie
Gender: Male
Rank: Rifleman
Record Type: Disability
Birth Date: 1894
Residence Place: Townhead Glasgow
Military Service Region: Scotland, Scotland
Discharge Date: 30 Jan 1919
Service Number: 10052
Corps, Regiment or Unit: R. IRISH RIFLES
Service Branch: Military (Army)
Title: PRC Ledgers
Description: Pension Record Ledger

 

George

 

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James died in 1916 George, sorry.

 Kind regards.

 Tom.

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Tom

Are the two men-who died one year apart-the same man please?

 

George

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It looks like they are a year apart, but the are the same man. He was discharged from the army in 1905.

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Was it this one discharged 1905?

 

George

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On 18/04/2020 at 08:53, George Rayner said:

This on is more likely I think

Web: UK, Royal Naval Reserve Service Records Index, 1860-1955

Name
Thomas Dennehy
Birth Date
2 Nov 1890
Birth Place
Cahirciveen, County kerry
Date
1908-1955
Service Number
TS 4504
URL
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D8572740
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George

 

A Fold3 candidate for you Tom

Thomas Dennehy

 in the UK, WWI Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923

 
 
Name: Thomas Dennehy
Gender: Male
Rank: Dk Hd
Record Type: Disability
Birth Date: 2 Nov 1890
Residence Place: Cahirciveen Co Kerry
Military Service Region: Ireland, Ireland
Discharge Date: 3 May 1919
Service Number: 4504 T.S.
Corps, Regiment or Unit: R N R (TS)
Ship: H M H T. Reindeer II
Service Branch: Navy
Title: PRC Ledgers
Description: Pension Record Ledger
Reference Number: 13/N/2
Next of Kin:
Name Relation to Soldier
Thomas Dennehy  
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Courtesy of Ancestry

 

George

 

 

Accepted by I.F.C.P. just now! Yaay!

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As to Mr Byrne

I found that he owed his Rates in 1915 appearing in Court twice-but not a lot else yet Tom. Sorry

 

George

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Good man George, that's more about him than I had.

 Kind regards.

 Tom.

 

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