George Rayner Posted 29 March , 2020 Share Posted 29 March , 2020 There is another Carr-James Joseph this time... First name(s) James Joseph Last name Carr Birth year - Birth day - Birth month - Death year 1917 Death date 25/01/1917 Service number - (Dev) Rating Greaser Service M.M.R. Ship/unit Hms Laurentic Cause of death Killed or died as a direct result of enemy action. Cemetery Body not recovered for burial Location of grave Not recorded Relatives notified Widow:- Theresa, 6, Norfolk Street, Liverpool. Category Military, armed forces & conflict Subcategory First World War Collections from Great Britain, UK None FMP George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 29 March , 2020 Share Posted 29 March , 2020 CARR Greaser JAMES JOSEPH 25 January 1917 Age 36 PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL 25. Mercantile Marine Reserve United Kingdom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 29 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 29 March , 2020 Yes indeed George, registered in Innishowen. What a great piece of detective work, thank you very much guys and gals. I will send it on to Terry. Unless I can now find the burial register I am screwed though. Thank you all very much for all the help, I really appreciate it very much indeed. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 29 March , 2020 Share Posted 29 March , 2020 That's me done Tom. As far as I can see no-one called P Carr died in the service in 1917! But that doesn't mean I'm correct All other Carrs on Laurentic list appear to be commemorated George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 29 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 29 March , 2020 I think George has it nailed, Edward has the wrong date of death. Thanks guys!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 29 March , 2020 Share Posted 29 March , 2020 The is a "list" of casualties of the Laurentic https://www.wrecksite.eu/peopleView.aspx?AC4r8Gaxp58JNmUdDo5szA== It does not list Henderson, It does list an Edward Carr. Sorry Tom, working on a project for WFA. Should have time to have a further look towards the end of the coming week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 29 March , 2020 Share Posted 29 March , 2020 I met the same problem Tom...and could not find a Henderson anywhere helpful George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 29 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 29 March , 2020 (edited) Thank you George and Mark. There were two Carrs listed for the Laurentic, but only James Joseph Carr had the same death date, Kind regards and thanks again lads. Edited 29 March , 2020 by museumtom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbohl Posted 29 March , 2020 Share Posted 29 March , 2020 (edited) Could he be this man ? Dave Leading Seaman RICHARDSON, ARTHUR Service Number 2864A Died 25/01/1917 H.M.S. "Laurentic"Royal Naval Reserve Name Richardson, Arthur Place of Birth: Leeds Number: A 2864 Date of Birth: 30 June 1889 Edited 29 March , 2020 by davidbohl dob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 29 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 29 March , 2020 Great find Dave. you are on the ball!! Kindest regards. Tom. https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/662771/richardson,-arthur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbohl Posted 29 March , 2020 Share Posted 29 March , 2020 From FamilySearch it could be:- Name:Arthur Richardson Event Type:Census Event Date:1911 Event Place:Holbeck, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom County:Yorkshire (West Riding) Parish:Holbeck Sub-District:Holbeck Sub-District Number:1 District Number:502 Enumeration District:15 Registration District:Holbeck Gender:Male Age:22 Marital Status:Single Marital Status (Original):SINGLE Occupation:LABOURER CORPORATION Industry:GAS WORKS Number in Family:5 Birth Year (Estimated):1889 Birthplace:Leeds, Yorkshire Relationship to Head of Household:Son Schedule Type:214 Page Number:1 Registration Number:RG14 Piece/Folio:427 Affiliate Record Identifier:GBC/1911/RG14/27191/0427/3 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Jonathan Richardson Head Male 54 Leeds, Yorkshire Mary Ann Richardson Wife Female 55 Leeds, Yorkshire Arthur Richardson Son Male 22 Leeds, Yorkshire Violet Richardson Daughter Female 19 Leeds, Yorkshire Fanny Richardson Daughter Female 15 Leeds, Yorkshire Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 29 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 29 March , 2020 Excellent Dave, thank you very much for this, I did not have it. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 30 March , 2020 Share Posted 30 March , 2020 Wow that was a leap from Henderson to Richardson! Could well be though looking at the handwriting again. Respect George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 30 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 30 March , 2020 Thanks George. A few of these Laurentic sailors have name differences in the death certificates. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 30 March , 2020 Share Posted 30 March , 2020 Morning Tom As far as I can see this is the only Parker, RMLI who died in 1917-but may have missed others... Name: James Parker Rank: Pte Birth Date: 17 Apr 1871 Birth Place: Chiswick, London Branch of Service: Royal Marine Light Infantry Cause of Death: Killed or died by means other than disease, accident or enemy action Official Number Port Division: CH/5195. (Ch) Death Date: 2 Jan 1917 Ship or Unit: HMS Orama Courtesy of Ancestry So he wasn't a Parker...? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 30 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 30 March , 2020 Nice find, thank you George. He might be spelled wrong, it is not uncommon with these. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 3 April , 2020 Share Posted 3 April , 2020 Morning Tom-hope you are keeping safe. On Ancestry this is a close census 'fit' Name:John GallagherGender:MaleMarital status:SingleAge:22Birth Date:abt 1879Birth Place:Co DonegalResidence Date:31 Mar 1901House Number:56Residence Place:Dunmore, Cross Roads, Donegal, IrelandRelation to Head:SonOccupation:Farm LabourerReligion:Roman CatholicLanguage Spoken:Irish and EnglishLiteracy:Cannot readHousehold Members: Name Age Hannah Gallagher 58 Ellen Gallagher 24 John Gallagher 22 Anne Gallagher 20 Mary Gallagher 34 Neal Gallagher 5 URL:http://www.census.nationalarch...This record is not from Ancestry and will open in a new window. You may need to search for the record when the web page opens. For more information on web records, click here. You will need to log-in or register to save this record to your tree. One year out on birth but with census returns isn't unusual I'll keep looking... George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 3 April , 2020 Share Posted 3 April , 2020 Strangely there are two John Gallaghers died at almost the same time, in the same area it seems. One born 1855 the other 1880 George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 3 April , 2020 Share Posted 3 April , 2020 Or again courtesy of Ancestry...this one discharged before War Name: John Gallagher Gender: Male Birth Date: 10 Jan 1879 Birth Place: Belleek, C?? Fermanagh First Service Date: 6 Jul 1900 First Ship Served On: Duke Of Welln II Last Service Date: 1 Apr 1914 Last Ship Served On: Almean Service Number: 295751 He is on FMP George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 3 April , 2020 Author Share Posted 3 April , 2020 Good man George, excellent finds. Sure what chance would I have ? I hope you are all healthy and keeping a safe distance in the UK.? Getting back to Gallagher, last service date 01/04/1914, so sadly he will not qualify. I would not have found this without your selfless help for which I am most grateful. Thanks again George, you are a star! Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 3 April , 2020 Author Share Posted 3 April , 2020 On another topic, Lil Bob has not been on the forum since February, I hope everything is ok? I sent a few messages but he did not reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 4 April , 2020 Share Posted 4 April , 2020 I've just checked out his profile and not seen since 25th Feb. A little worrying as he was quite regular. I'll try a message too George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 4 April , 2020 Author Share Posted 4 April , 2020 Thank you George, sure we have to look after our own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 5 April , 2020 Author Share Posted 5 April , 2020 Morning all, I hope you are all safe and healthy? May I have some help with this man please? His records are on FMP here https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fwo363-4%2f007287658%2f00288&parentid=gbm%2fwo363-4%2f7287658%2f22%2f281 but his critical sheet that says attib or caused by is not there. Can you help please? Thank you very much in advance for any help you can give. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 5 April , 2020 Share Posted 5 April , 2020 Morning Tom Ancestry has the same service record detail-with the commentary about malaria in Salonika although his form says he was Expeditionary force France-but there are also two pension records available through the Fold3 addition. I don't have a subscription but these are urls https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=61588&h=21073138&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=cIF448&_phstart=successSource https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=61588&h=217201&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=cIF449&_phstart=successSource The second one is disability so you may be in luck. Hopefully a subscriber will be along soon! George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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