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I need your help again lads and lassies.

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museumtom

Excellent Inspector, thank you very much. These details are not in FMP, but I have them now.

Kind regards.

 Tom.

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13 hours ago, The Inspector said:

Hi Tom, Mark and all,

The link to the China medal has additional details ie. No. 165738 HMS Esk,  Rating AB,  DD (Deceased) 6 Oct 14 Medal sent to father Francis Nurney  30 Dec, 1914. 

Regards Barry

Thank you Inspector, does this mean he had WW1 service please?

Kind regards.

 Tom.

13 hours ago, The Inspector said:

Hi Tom, Mark and all,

The link to the China medal has additional details ie. No. 165738 HMS Esk,  Rating AB,  DD (Deceased) 6 Oct 14 Medal sent to father Francis Nurney  30 Dec, 1914. 

Regards Barry

Thank you Inspector, does this mean he had WW1 service please?

Kind regards.

 Tom.

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George Rayner

Morning

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Courtesy of Ancestry

Looks like he joined Royal Fleet reserve Devonport? 1908 so may still have been active

 

George

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George Rayner

It looks like the China medal was sent out, then returned and sent out again to his father Francis in 1914 on Frank's death(?)

 

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Ancestry partial image

 

George

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George Rayner

Does the collective mind believe these are the same man? Despite 6 year difference in reported birthdates?

George

Ancestry 'hits'

  1. Record information.
    Name
    Frank Nurney
    Birth
    Queenstown, Cork 07/10/1876
    Military
    08/01/1892
  2. Ireland, Civil Registration Deaths Index, 1864-1958
    Death, Burial, Cemetery & Obituaries
    Record information.
    Name
    Frank Nurney
    Birth
    abt 1882
    Death
    12/1914 Cork

 

 

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Mark1959

George - yes I do.

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museumtom

Thank you very much Mark and George, would it be possible for details on the WW1 sheet please? I cannot find him on FMP.

Kind regards.

 Tom.

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museumtom

I have to disagree lads, it cannot be the same lad as he was still serving on 31/12/1915, his death cert says he died on 06/10/1914?

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Mark1959

Tom, where did you get that info from?

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LarsA

Is it not ”good, 31/12/05”?

 

ATB,

 

Lars

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George Rayner

Post 3069, bottom right says

DD 6Oct14

which I took to mean he died!

 

George

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museumtom
18 hours ago, Mark1959 said:

Tom, where did you get that info from?

 Hello Mark.

It is on the bottom right of this image. I clipped it from post 3028.

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Lars, I think you are correct, it is 1905 and not 1915. Sorry. Apologies for anyone led astray with that. 

 

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museumtom

I have to head off soon and will not be on the forum until Sunday evening. Thank you all for all the selfless help you have given. I really do appreciate it very much indeed.

 Till Sunday!

Kindest regards.

 Tom.

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Tom 

I think you have misread the details looks more like "Good, 31.12.05" note the link at the top of the 0 to the 5.  If it was a 1 then the stroke would have ended at the bottom whereas when writing a 0 the stroke would end at the top and "hurriedly" connect to the 5.

Regards Barry

5 hours ago, museumtom said:

I have to head off soon and will not be on the forum until Sunday evening. Thank you all for all the selfless help you have given. I really do appreciate it very much indeed.

 Till Sunday!

Kindest regards.

 Tom.

EDIT Apologies Tom and all should put my specs on and read everything.!

Edited by The Inspector

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museumtom

Hello everyone and happy Monday!

Believe it or not I have only one more to look at before you all get a well deserved break.

This soldier does not seem to have had much service, and besides his effects register and DC I can find nothing else on him, can you add anything to his information please?

Name J.J. Atkinson
Date of Death 10 February 1917
Age at Death 32
Sex Male
Civil Status Single
Place of Death Military Hospital, Athlone
Cause of Death Pneumonia
Duration of Illness 5 Day(s)
Antecedent Cause 1 Cardiac Failure
Deceased Occupation Gunner R.F.A.
Informant
Forename G.A.
Surname Dubery B.Q.M.S.
Qualification Occupier
Address 25 Bt R.F.A., The Barracks, Athlone
Signature G.A. Dubery
Other Information
Group Registration ID 3190020
Registrar Kate Lynn Assistant
Registration District/Office Athlone
Registration SR District/Reg Area Athlone No.1
Registration County Co. Westmeath
Date of Registration

10/02/1917

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2 minutes ago, museumtom said:

Hello everyone and happy Monday!

Believe it or not I have only one more to look at before you all get a well deserved break.

This soldier does not seem to have had much service, and besides his effects register and DC I can find nothing else on him, can you add anything to his information please?

Name J.J. Atkinson
Date of Death 10 February 1917
Age at Death 32
Sex Male
Civil Status Single
Place of Death Military Hospital, Athlone
Cause of Death Pneumonia
Duration of Illness 5 Day(s)
Antecedent Cause 1 Cardiac Failure
Deceased Occupation Gunner R.F.A.
Informant
Forename G.A.
Surname Dubery B.Q.M.S.
Qualification Occupier
Address 25 Bt R.F.A., The Barracks, Athlone
Signature G.A. Dubery
Other Information
Group Registration ID 3190020
Registrar Kate Lynn Assistant
Registration District/Office Athlone
Registration SR District/Reg Area Athlone No.1
Registration County Co. Westmeath
Date of Registration

10/02/1917

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He was still serving at the time of death based on the war gratuity.

 

The surviving pension card just records the death at the Military Hospital, nothing to say how he died. Pension was paid to his sister

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https://www.fold3.com/image/668182566

 

Craig

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museumtom

Thank you Craig! I did not have that.

Kind regards.

 Tom.

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ss002d6252

The war gratuity shows that he had less than 6 months service (of which none was overseas).

 

Craig

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museumtom

Ah I see, thank you Craig!

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George Rayner

Morning Tom

Hope your weekend was fruitful...as I was at Twickenham on Sunday mine was most enjoyable!

 

Anyway I took a liberty and posed a question onto the Naval thread next door under this heading

What does this mean?

By George Rayner, Friday at 10:04 in Sailors, navies and the war at sea

and if you refer to it you'll see that we cannot progress any further and seems unlikely that Nurney served in WW1.

 

George

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museumtom

Good afternoon George old buddy, a grand weekend altogether, still getting over it, in a good way. 

Y'know I had an idea he might not have WW1 service but had to check in here first. Thank you for posting it in the Naval forum, a great idea when we get stumped.

Kind regards. 

Tom.

 

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Mark1959

His sister Margaret Kirk is still leaving in 74, Schubert Street in 1939. Widowed. DoB 6/10/1886

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=TNA%2FR39%2F4734%2F4734A%2F013&parentid=TNA%2FR39%2F4734%2F4734A%2F013%2F43. Sh died 4Q 1973

Looks like a presumed son William is with her. DoB 8/3/14. Leads me to 

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=BMD%2FB%2F1914%2F2%2FAZ%2F000907&parentid=BMD%2FB%2F1914%2F2%2FAZ%2F000907%2F143 - mothers maiden name Atkinson

After a fruitless search for relevant records I had a stroke of luck I happened on this 1911 return - suggesting his name was perhaps John Joseph Atkinson and then 26. Margaret 24. 

Ancestry has lists of Liverpool catholic burials and he was buried in Ford Cemetery Liverpool see here on 17/2/17 and the record shows died military hospital Athlone, This is a Catholic Burial. The is a grave ref so hopefully they might have records on where he is. 

So looking for Cathoilic baptisms one for for Margaret and one for John Joseph. Having Margaret's Dob led me to a baptism for Margarita on 28/10/1886. dob 6/10/1886. Father George mother ELizabeth nee Purcell see here

So I looked for a John Joseph and these parents and here it is showing he was born 16th Sept 1884 and baptised 18/10/1884.

They never appear in the same household until 1911 where the are with a Purcell aunt's family. See the mother in law is shown as Elizabeth Purcell. He is with his Purcell grandparents in 1901. Basically farmed out it seems - I have not looked into the circumstances

1901: https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC%2F1901%2F3423-3424%2F0791&parentid=GBC%2F1901%2F0020433504

and this is the 1911 return on fmp

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC%2F1911%2FRG14%2F22588%2F0565&parentid=GBC%2F1911%2FRG14%2F22588%2F0565%2F9

So this is clearly the correct John Joseph Atkinson and at least we can give him his full name. 

It is odd that a serving soldier does not get a CGWC grave despite his short service. 

edit

Poor lad seems to be forgotten. See memorial in Ford cemetery

http://www.merseysiderollofhonour.co.uk/graves/fordcemetery.php

He does not appear on it. 

Edited by Mark1959

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museumtom

What a readout Mark, excellent stuff indeed. That must have taken you quite a wile, thank you very much indeed. It is winging its way to Terry as we speak.

 I think that is all there is to find on this lad.

Thanks again for your generous help Mark, Craig and George.

Kind regards.

 Tom.

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museumtom

Terry says;-

Already in the system. Submitted last April.

Thanks anyway guys!!

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