museumtom Posted 19 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 19 February , 2020 Excellent Inspector, thank you very much. These details are not in FMP, but I have them now. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 20 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 20 February , 2020 13 hours ago, The Inspector said: Hi Tom, Mark and all, The link to the China medal has additional details ie. No. 165738 HMS Esk, Rating AB, DD (Deceased) 6 Oct 14 Medal sent to father Francis Nurney 30 Dec, 1914. Regards Barry Thank you Inspector, does this mean he had WW1 service please? Kind regards. Tom. 13 hours ago, The Inspector said: Hi Tom, Mark and all, The link to the China medal has additional details ie. No. 165738 HMS Esk, Rating AB, DD (Deceased) 6 Oct 14 Medal sent to father Francis Nurney 30 Dec, 1914. Regards Barry Thank you Inspector, does this mean he had WW1 service please? Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 20 February , 2020 Share Posted 20 February , 2020 Morning Courtesy of Ancestry Looks like he joined Royal Fleet reserve Devonport? 1908 so may still have been active George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 20 February , 2020 Share Posted 20 February , 2020 It looks like the China medal was sent out, then returned and sent out again to his father Francis in 1914 on Frank's death(?) Ancestry partial image George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 20 February , 2020 Share Posted 20 February , 2020 Does the collective mind believe these are the same man? Despite 6 year difference in reported birthdates? George Ancestry 'hits' UK, Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services, 1848-1939 Draft, Enlistment and Service View Image Record information. Name Frank Nurney Birth Queenstown, Cork 07/10/1876 Military 08/01/1892 Ireland, Civil Registration Deaths Index, 1864-1958 Death, Burial, Cemetery & Obituaries Record information. Name Frank Nurney Birth abt 1882 Death 12/1914 Cork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 20 February , 2020 Share Posted 20 February , 2020 George - yes I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 20 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 20 February , 2020 Thank you very much Mark and George, would it be possible for details on the WW1 sheet please? I cannot find him on FMP. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 20 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 20 February , 2020 I have to disagree lads, it cannot be the same lad as he was still serving on 31/12/1915, his death cert says he died on 06/10/1914? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 20 February , 2020 Share Posted 20 February , 2020 Tom, where did you get that info from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarsA Posted 20 February , 2020 Share Posted 20 February , 2020 Is it not ”good, 31/12/05”? ATB, Lars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 21 February , 2020 Share Posted 21 February , 2020 Post 3069, bottom right says DD 6Oct14 which I took to mean he died! George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 21 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 21 February , 2020 18 hours ago, Mark1959 said: Tom, where did you get that info from? Hello Mark. It is on the bottom right of this image. I clipped it from post 3028. Lars, I think you are correct, it is 1905 and not 1915. Sorry. Apologies for anyone led astray with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 21 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 21 February , 2020 I have to head off soon and will not be on the forum until Sunday evening. Thank you all for all the selfless help you have given. I really do appreciate it very much indeed. Till Sunday! Kindest regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Inspector Posted 21 February , 2020 Share Posted 21 February , 2020 (edited) Tom I think you have misread the details looks more like "Good, 31.12.05" note the link at the top of the 0 to the 5. If it was a 1 then the stroke would have ended at the bottom whereas when writing a 0 the stroke would end at the top and "hurriedly" connect to the 5. Regards Barry 5 hours ago, museumtom said: I have to head off soon and will not be on the forum until Sunday evening. Thank you all for all the selfless help you have given. I really do appreciate it very much indeed. Till Sunday! Kindest regards. Tom. EDIT Apologies Tom and all should put my specs on and read everything.! Edited 21 February , 2020 by The Inspector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 24 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 24 February , 2020 Hello everyone and happy Monday! Believe it or not I have only one more to look at before you all get a well deserved break. This soldier does not seem to have had much service, and besides his effects register and DC I can find nothing else on him, can you add anything to his information please? Name J.J. Atkinson Date of Death 10 February 1917 Age at Death 32 Sex Male Civil Status Single Place of Death Military Hospital, Athlone Cause of Death Pneumonia Duration of Illness 5 Day(s) Antecedent Cause 1 Cardiac Failure Deceased Occupation Gunner R.F.A. Informant Forename G.A. Surname Dubery B.Q.M.S. Qualification Occupier Address 25 Bt R.F.A., The Barracks, Athlone Signature G.A. Dubery Other Information Group Registration ID 3190020 Registrar Kate Lynn Assistant Registration District/Office Athlone Registration SR District/Reg Area Athlone No.1 Registration County Co. Westmeath Date of Registration 10/02/1917 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 24 February , 2020 Share Posted 24 February , 2020 2 minutes ago, museumtom said: Hello everyone and happy Monday! Believe it or not I have only one more to look at before you all get a well deserved break. This soldier does not seem to have had much service, and besides his effects register and DC I can find nothing else on him, can you add anything to his information please? Name J.J. Atkinson Date of Death 10 February 1917 Age at Death 32 Sex Male Civil Status Single Place of Death Military Hospital, Athlone Cause of Death Pneumonia Duration of Illness 5 Day(s) Antecedent Cause 1 Cardiac Failure Deceased Occupation Gunner R.F.A. Informant Forename G.A. Surname Dubery B.Q.M.S. Qualification Occupier Address 25 Bt R.F.A., The Barracks, Athlone Signature G.A. Dubery Other Information Group Registration ID 3190020 Registrar Kate Lynn Assistant Registration District/Office Athlone Registration SR District/Reg Area Athlone No.1 Registration County Co. Westmeath Date of Registration 10/02/1917 He was still serving at the time of death based on the war gratuity. The surviving pension card just records the death at the Military Hospital, nothing to say how he died. Pension was paid to his sister https://www.fold3.com/image/668182566 Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 24 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 24 February , 2020 Thank you Craig! I did not have that. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 24 February , 2020 Share Posted 24 February , 2020 The war gratuity shows that he had less than 6 months service (of which none was overseas). Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 24 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 24 February , 2020 Ah I see, thank you Craig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 24 February , 2020 Share Posted 24 February , 2020 Morning Tom Hope your weekend was fruitful...as I was at Twickenham on Sunday mine was most enjoyable! Anyway I took a liberty and posed a question onto the Naval thread next door under this heading What does this mean? By George Rayner, Friday at 10:04 in Sailors, navies and the war at sea and if you refer to it you'll see that we cannot progress any further and seems unlikely that Nurney served in WW1. George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 24 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 24 February , 2020 Good afternoon George old buddy, a grand weekend altogether, still getting over it, in a good way. Y'know I had an idea he might not have WW1 service but had to check in here first. Thank you for posting it in the Naval forum, a great idea when we get stumped. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 24 February , 2020 Share Posted 24 February , 2020 (edited) His sister Margaret Kirk is still leaving in 74, Schubert Street in 1939. Widowed. DoB 6/10/1886 https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=TNA%2FR39%2F4734%2F4734A%2F013&parentid=TNA%2FR39%2F4734%2F4734A%2F013%2F43. Sh died 4Q 1973 Looks like a presumed son William is with her. DoB 8/3/14. Leads me to https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=BMD%2FB%2F1914%2F2%2FAZ%2F000907&parentid=BMD%2FB%2F1914%2F2%2FAZ%2F000907%2F143 - mothers maiden name Atkinson After a fruitless search for relevant records I had a stroke of luck I happened on this 1911 return - suggesting his name was perhaps John Joseph Atkinson and then 26. Margaret 24. Ancestry has lists of Liverpool catholic burials and he was buried in Ford Cemetery Liverpool see here on 17/2/17 and the record shows died military hospital Athlone, This is a Catholic Burial. The is a grave ref so hopefully they might have records on where he is. So looking for Cathoilic baptisms one for for Margaret and one for John Joseph. Having Margaret's Dob led me to a baptism for Margarita on 28/10/1886. dob 6/10/1886. Father George mother ELizabeth nee Purcell see here So I looked for a John Joseph and these parents and here it is showing he was born 16th Sept 1884 and baptised 18/10/1884. They never appear in the same household until 1911 where the are with a Purcell aunt's family. See the mother in law is shown as Elizabeth Purcell. He is with his Purcell grandparents in 1901. Basically farmed out it seems - I have not looked into the circumstances 1901: https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC%2F1901%2F3423-3424%2F0791&parentid=GBC%2F1901%2F0020433504 and this is the 1911 return on fmp https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC%2F1911%2FRG14%2F22588%2F0565&parentid=GBC%2F1911%2FRG14%2F22588%2F0565%2F9 So this is clearly the correct John Joseph Atkinson and at least we can give him his full name. It is odd that a serving soldier does not get a CGWC grave despite his short service. edit Poor lad seems to be forgotten. See memorial in Ford cemetery http://www.merseysiderollofhonour.co.uk/graves/fordcemetery.php He does not appear on it. Edited 24 February , 2020 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 24 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 24 February , 2020 What a readout Mark, excellent stuff indeed. That must have taken you quite a wile, thank you very much indeed. It is winging its way to Terry as we speak. I think that is all there is to find on this lad. Thanks again for your generous help Mark, Craig and George. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 24 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 24 February , 2020 Terry says;- Already in the system. Submitted last April. Thanks anyway guys!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 24 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 24 February , 2020 Final one please guys and gals. Little Bob found that he was Pte 24667, RIFus, but that's as far as we got, can you help please? Bob says he is in folder3, but I do not have details, or records, I do have the MIC. https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/transcript-civil/2a9f1b3127170?b=https%3A%2F%2Fcivilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie%2Fchurchrecords%2Fdetails-civil%2F2a9f1b3127170%3Fb%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fcivilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie%2Fchurchrecords%2Fcivil-perform-search.jsp%3Fnamefm%3D%26namel%3D%26location%3D%26yyfrom%3D1920%26yyto%3D1920%26type%3DD%26submit%3DSearch%26sort%3D%26pageSize%3D100%26century%3D%26decade%3D%26exact%3D%26ddBfrom%3D%26ddMfrom%3D%26ddDfrom%3D%26ddPfrom%3D%26mmBfrom%3D%26mmMfrom%3D%26mmDfrom%3D%26mmPfrom%3D%26yyBfrom%3D%26yyMfrom%3D%26yyDfrom%3D%26yyPfrom%3D%26ddBto%3D%26ddMto%3D%26ddDto%3D%26ddPto%3D%26mmBto%3D%26mmMto%3D%26mmDto%3D%26mmPto%3D%26yyBto%3D%26yyMto%3D%26yyDto%3D%26yyPto%3D%26locationB%3D%26locationM%3D%26locationD%3D%26locationP%3D%26keywordb%3D%26keywordm%3D%26keywordd%3D%26keywordp%3D%26event%3D%26district%3D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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