George Rayner Posted 11 March , 2020 Share Posted 11 March , 2020 Still not sure about Holtham though Tom-either a different man to the one I found or he may have re-joined but as illness was chronic seems unlikely. George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 11 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 11 March , 2020 I understand George. I'll keep him on the back burner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 23 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 23 March , 2020 Y'know, I thought I was finished, but what do I know?. I have been twiddling with this lad all afternoon, I can find not a single thing on him, can you please help me lads. I'm desperate at this stage! Go on, put me out of my misery and solve the mystery. Thanking you all very much in advance. Kindest regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbohl Posted 23 March , 2020 Share Posted 23 March , 2020 (edited) Name: Thomas Burgess Event Type: Death Event Date: Jan - Mar 1921 Event Place: Sligo, Ireland Registration Quarter and Year: Jan - Mar 1921 Registration District: Sligo Age: 40 Birth Year (Estimated): 1881 Volume Number: 2 Name: Thomas Burgess Event Type: Census Event Date: 31 Mar 1901 Event Place: Stockport, Cheshire, England, United Kingdom County: Cheshire Civil Parish: Stockport Ecclesiastical Parish: Stockport St Pauls Sub-District: Stockport Second Registration District: Stockport Gender: Male Age: 19 Occupation: COTTON SPINNER Relationship to Head of Household: Boarder Birth Year (Estimated): 1882 Birthplace: Ireland Dave Edited 23 March , 2020 by davidbohl 1901 census Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 23 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 23 March , 2020 Excellent, thank you very much David. It great that you got it all together. I wondered what his military service was though. A brilliant find, thank you again David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 23 March , 2020 Share Posted 23 March , 2020 Hi Tom, Can't add anything I'm afraid other than to say that I can't find a Medal Card in that name for the Labour Corps that fits. I suppose the conclusion is that he didn't go abroad, but there again records could be incomplete. No service record or pension record either, not that I can find on Ancestry. So no piece of paper with the word 'Attributable....' on it. I see the poor fella died in the workhouse in February 1921, (and forgive me Tom if my understanding of the Irish War of Independence is totally wrong) can we safely assume he was not serving in the British army at this time? The certificate entry says "TB 6 months", which is about August 1920. Again, the question I ask is, was it likely he was a serving soldier at that time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 23 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 23 March , 2020 Than you Dai. To be honest I have no further information other that Davids post and the D.C. Usually Labour Corps men end up there after serving with other regiments first and are at the end of their service. Like yourself I tried to find his M.I.C. unsuccessfully, or any other records that he may have had. Dying in the Workhouse was more common than you might think. Was he serving at the time? the D.C. says he was an ex soldier. I had hoped that as we have his number and unit he might be able to be found. Perhaps it is a post war number? If we assume the service number on the D.C. is incorrect, which was not uncommon, there were 19 M.I.C. for Thomas Burgess, of the Labour Corps. David shows that Thomas was in Cheshire in 1901, so perhaps he joined a Cheshire unit.? One Thomas Burgess, of the Labour Corps, that was previously in the Cheshire Regiment was- But this is totally totally guesswork. Thats all we have Dai, I am sorry to say. Thank you for your help. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbohl Posted 23 March , 2020 Share Posted 23 March , 2020 A long shot, according to the Long, Long Trail the struck out #55410 would put him in :- Queen's (Royal West Surrey) 13th (Labour) Battalion 93 55201 55800 https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-labour-corps-of-1917-1918/labour-companies-of-the-labour-corps/ Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 23 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 23 March , 2020 Thank you Dave, its a long shot, and who knows it might bear fruit! A good spot there young fella! Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 23 March , 2020 Share Posted 23 March , 2020 22 minutes ago, museumtom said: the D.C. says he was an ex soldier. Ah right, I didn't recognise it as "Ex Soldier". I read it as a G. The card you linked to is also on Ancestry: Link If you can't see it, it lists the two regiments and numbers, also entitlement to BWM, VM and 14-15 Star, having entered the Balkan Theatre on 20/10/1915. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 23 March , 2020 Share Posted 23 March , 2020 (edited) The is a WFA pension card giving notification of death but no further details. Repeats slightly incorrectly the Labour Corps number 5541010 https://www.fold3.com/image/668359740 And another with more detail. Shows discharged 18/12/18. Disabilities show as fractured left femur attributable. DAH (Disorderly action of Heart) not aggravated or due to, and debility. Correctly gives number as 554010. Gives an address in Galway https://www.fold3.com/image/644996331 Edited 23 March , 2020 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 23 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 23 March , 2020 Fantastic, thank you lads. I don't have access to Ancestry or folder3. May I please just have the info if I may please? I have to admit I was not very hopeful with this lad, as there is nothing at all on him in FMP, mores the pity. Thank you all once again for a stunning exercise in genealogy. Kindest regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 27 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 27 March , 2020 (edited) 'Morning all! This lads eludes me, I can find nothing on FMP, can you help please? Kinard is in Longford. Thank you all very much in advance. Kind regards. Tom. Edited 27 March , 2020 by museumtom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busterfield Posted 27 March , 2020 Share Posted 27 March , 2020 Would this book help ? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Forgotten-Heroes-Galway-Soldiers-1914-1918/dp/185635556X Buster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 27 March , 2020 Share Posted 27 March , 2020 Looks like it says 'discharged 2 months' so looking for a man discharged March 1921 ish. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 27 March , 2020 Share Posted 27 March , 2020 (edited) Another possibility for you Tom...and good morning Courtesy of ancestry Looking further he was born in Dublin and too late... George Edited 27 March , 2020 by George Rayner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 27 March , 2020 Share Posted 27 March , 2020 Fairly certain this is his wife in 1911 Census Name: Lizzie Kennedy Gender: Female Age: 33 Birth Year: abt 1878 Relation to Head: Wife Residence Date: 2 Apr 1911 Townland/Street: Kinard District: Foxhall County: Longford Household Members: Name Age Christopher Kennedy 31 Lizzie Kennedy 33 Michael Kennedy Kate Molphy 37 URL: http://www.census.nationalarch... George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbohl Posted 27 March , 2020 Share Posted 27 March , 2020 FamilySearch says he was a publican/grocer Dave Name:Christopher Kennedy Event Type:Census Event Date:1911 Event Place:Kinard, County Kerry, Ireland Event Place (Original):Kinard (Foxhall, Longford), Ireland Gender:Male Age:31 Marital Status:Married Occupation:Publican and Grocer Religion:Roman Catholic Birth Year (Estimated):1880 Birthplace:Co Longford Relationship to Head of Household:Head of Family Note:- Affiliate Image Identifier:nai002883092/ Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Christopher Kennedy Head of Family Male 31 Co Longford Lizzie Kennedy Wife Female 33 Co Westmeath Michael Kennedy Son Male Co Longford Kate Molphy Sister in Law Female 37 Co Westmeath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 27 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 27 March , 2020 Thank you Buster, he was from Longford, and he is not in the book. Good man George, you are right, that is his wife. Kate is Lizzies sister, it seems. I went through the 15 MICs and went through FMP using the numbers without success. Thank you Craig, you could be right. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Longford/Foxhall/Kinard/580707/ Thank you David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 27 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 27 March , 2020 I also checked the post war ledgers in the National Army Museum, he is not in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 29 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 29 March , 2020 And we are away!. This lad looks an easy find, but he escapes me. He should be from the Laurentic and is not in the C.W.G.C. Can you help please? He is not in FMP and he should sail through IFCP if we can find his records. Can you help me please? Thank you all very much in advance. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 29 March , 2020 Share Posted 29 March , 2020 Morning Tom Is the registration district Inishowen please? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 29 March , 2020 Share Posted 29 March , 2020 Doing a search on Ancestry for Royal Naval Reserve, Carr brings only this one person as died 1917... Name: Edward Carr Rank: Stoker Birth Date: 11 Feb 1887 Birth Place: South Shields, Durham Branch of Service: Royal Naval Reserve Cause of Death: Killed or died as a direct result of enemy action Official Number Port Division: 3855. S. (Ch) Death Date: 25 Jan 1917 Ship or Unit: HMS Laurentic Location of Grave: Not recorded Name and Address of Cemetery: Body Not Recovered For Burial Relatives Notified and Address: Mother: Margaret, 54, Deck Street, Tyne Dock, S Shields Still looking George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 29 March , 2020 Share Posted 29 March , 2020 The only Percy Carr I can find in RNR-and I am no expert in this-is Percy Carr 5229/A Seaman who survived the war and got his medals! This is in Ancestry but cant find him on FMP George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 29 March , 2020 Share Posted 29 March , 2020 Morning Tom, As the other lads have said, there's an Edward Carr on the Laurentic. But he's commemorated on the Chatham Naval Memorial, implying there's no known grave. (That's not a cast iron guarantee though). Here's his CWGC entry: CARR, EDWARD Service Number 3855/S Died 25/01/1917 Aged 29 H.M.S. "Laurentic." Royal Naval Reserve Son of John and Margaret Carr, of 54, Dock St., Tyne Dock, South Shields. CARR Stoker 3855/S EDWARD 25 January 1917 Age 29 CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL 27. Royal Naval Reserve United Kingdom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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