museumtom Posted 18 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 18 February , 2020 Great finds Mark, than you for that. Very much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little bob Posted 18 February , 2020 Share Posted 18 February , 2020 Both Vice-Admiral Stokes and James Towey had died before the war started. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 18 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 18 February , 2020 On the ball Bob, on the ball. I did not notice that. Thanks for keeping me on the straight and narrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little bob Posted 18 February , 2020 Share Posted 18 February , 2020 The age is wrong but Find my Past has a record for 285796 Patrick Shanahan. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 18 February , 2020 Share Posted 18 February , 2020 https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/60522/?name=john_sliney&event=_cobh-cork-ireland_843935&birth=1875&count=50&f-Self-ServiceNumber=156150&f-Self-ServiceNumber_x=1&location=3257.3250&name_x=_1&pcat=39&priority=united-kingdom&viewMode=category Is RN records for Sliney. Struggling to fin on fmp His late service from 1914. Discharged 15/3/1919 MID LG 18/5/18. Born 5 Feb 1875. Service from at least 1893. Star, BW and VM issued to his widow. His discharge seems not to be due to disease. So I think we will not get very far with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 18 February , 2020 Share Posted 18 February , 2020 (edited) Shanahan There is WFA Pension Card for a man with same address as on Death Certificate. He is 29355 or 39355. RGA. Just says deceased. Searching.... https://www.fold3.com/image/645093440?xid=1022 Looks like 29355. Discharge 15/7/19 https://www.fold3.com/image/645817651. Claim from father also Patrick 29355 SW Badge https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBM%2FSILVERWAR%2FBADGES%2F86347 or on ancestry here Enlisted 27/7/08.To France 17/9/14 with 4th Siege Battery Not sure we will get a lot further ithout knowing why discharge, SWB indicates unfit but what with? Note I would add 285796 suggested by littlebob was discharged with attributable TB and died 27/4/19. His records https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F007281189%2F00129&parentid=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F7281189%2F14%2F129 Edited 18 February , 2020 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 18 February , 2020 Share Posted 18 February , 2020 https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/75230205/power,-john/ He has been accepted. Have we done him before?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 18 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 18 February , 2020 Well Mark, you found me out. Little Bob send me the same message and I told him I only realised we had done him before when I re-checked my files. I did not want to say anything to save the embarrasment. Little Bob was going to keep my secret but now, then, mark ols son, the whole world knows I messed up. Seriously though Mark, it was a super piece of sleuthing, thank you kindly all the same. Shhhhh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 18 February , 2020 Share Posted 18 February , 2020 Denis Riordan This appears to be him living in Albert Terrace in 1901 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000563827/ Note already a clerk at the Dockyard so probably did not serve in the military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 18 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 18 February , 2020 I get you Mark, point taken. I will leave that one behind. Thanks for all the help Mark! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little bob Posted 18 February , 2020 Share Posted 18 February , 2020 The NA has a service sheet for Engineman ES4163 William McLean of Coleraine, who accidently drowned at Queenstown.whilst serving aboard H M D Expectation. BT377 /7/133568. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 18 February , 2020 Share Posted 18 February , 2020 (edited) Munns This appears to be him in 1911 https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC%2F1911%2FRG14%2F12373%2F0167&parentid=GBC%2F1911%2FRG14%2F12373%2F0167%2F8 WFA Card https://www.fold3.com/image/669302654?xid=1022 shows discharged 8/12/15. 165760 However served from 1892 Medal Roll shows Star, Vic and BW medals Struggling to find naval records on fmp but on ancestry see here Looks like discharged for "Aortic Regurgitation". On service record That is due to a problem with a valve in the heart edit So nothing to do with TB on face of it Edited 18 February , 2020 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little bob Posted 18 February , 2020 Share Posted 18 February , 2020 Find my Past. Royal Navy Seamen Records only run from 1899 - 1924. Anyone before 1899 doesn't show up. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 18 February , 2020 Share Posted 18 February , 2020 (edited) Meyer Born Birkenhead but died 1920 - death reg in Cork https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FADM188%2F549%2F0%2F0013&parentid=GBM%2FADM188%2F71839 Invalided 1/7/19.Disease of ?. Also mention of shell shock Served from 1903 by the looks of it Was at Jutland. Looks as if I have investigated before. This card says disease of brain but does not say attributable or not https://www.fold3.com/image/644987783 See also https://www.fold3.com/image/669253073 Shows widow Matilda and correct address He married Matilda (nee Warren) in Cork in 1911. Edited 18 February , 2020 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 18 February , 2020 Share Posted 18 February , 2020 (edited) Moynihan Could be 132003 born 9/4/1862 Rushbrook, Queenstown. Age a bit out. Served 1885 to 1907. Invalided out but record does not say what for Service record on ancestry here Looks right if this is them in 1911 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Queenstown_No__2_Urban/Ringacoltig__part_of__Rushbrooke/406034/. Wife Bridget and he is 49 in 1911. 132003 got the Ashanti Medal 1887-1900 on HMS Racer for an action June 1893. See here Edited 18 February , 2020 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 18 February , 2020 Share Posted 18 February , 2020 Mclean https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/661103/mclean,-/ Drowned 30/3/1918. Body picked up 5/5/18. https://www.fold3.com/image/669189161 Dependents pension card. Widow Agnes (Belfast) and 3 kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 18 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 18 February , 2020 Excellent Bob and Mark. I have sent both mens records and Death Certs to Terry straight away and await news. Fingers crossed they will get through. Fantastic finds lads. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 19 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 19 February , 2020 (edited) Munns refused as Discharged with aortic regurgitation ( heart disease) but he died of TB. Meyer refused as 'No obvious connection to service' I am appealing this as he was discharged with 'disease of brain'. He died from 'cerebral degurgitation' which I reckon are connected. Edited 19 February , 2020 by museumtom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 19 February , 2020 Share Posted 19 February , 2020 Good luck with that Tom George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 19 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 19 February , 2020 Thanks George, only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 19 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 19 February , 2020 I read this as disease of brain, but himself does not see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 19 February , 2020 Share Posted 19 February , 2020 (edited) How about pursuing the other cause of death-asthenia? He was recognised as having shell shock, and also cerebral degurgitation on death certificate so that may help with the persuasion? But it is difficult to read on service record!! And there are several cases of this being an accepted cause of death related to service men for commemoration on GWF George Asthenia is caused by a number of things, but the most common culprits are lifestyle, age, infections, chronic diseases, pregnancy, anxiety or depression, Edited 19 February , 2020 by George Rayner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 19 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 19 February , 2020 It was worth a try George, but the reply is 'His pension confirms ‘Brain’ but there is no indication that it was due to or aggravated by service (the required evidence). With this type of illness (and cancers), it is very unlikely to have been due to service but could have been aggravated by it. Sadly, there is no mention of that being the case so he cannot progress.' I did not ask about the Asthenia, maybe at a later time. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 19 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 19 February , 2020 I thought the discharged with disease of brain might do the trick. I said that I thought there was a bit of leeway with the naval lads, but no, the latest pension cards tighten up the lot. -' There was but the new pension records are providing the required due to/aggravated by evidence. In any case, the leeway was for illnesses which were almost certain to be service related – TB, nephritis, VDH etc.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 19 February , 2020 Share Posted 19 February , 2020 (edited) Pity about Meyer. Will have another search for Melody and Vine from the last two lists - was not having any luck with them. edit I do wonder if my brain is getting a bit mushy sometimes. first search today and I find: https://www.fold3.com/image/645065225 Thomas Melody. Bollyhoully, Co Cork. WFA Card says died 24/1/21. Discharged from Labour Corps 29/3/19 . Card says "Debility". No entry in the attributable/aggravated section. 409839 edit Medal Roll for BW and VM say previously A/Bdr 3337 RGA. And makes these his service papers https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F007273392%2F00710&parentid=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F7273392%2F66%2F710 On ancestry here Previous service in Royal Irish Regiment 1892-1909. Sadly nothing on his debility These seems to be his early RIR records. Dates match to the day with summary in the later docs. https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F007273287%2F00441&parentid=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F7273287%2F50%2F441 On to Vine.. Edited 19 February , 2020 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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