Arthur Posted 19 October , 2009 Author Share Posted 19 October , 2009 Hello Arthur, I wish I had looked properly at your thread before submitting my question to the forum. I understand that you may not have this information available from your response to similar but on the off chance. I am looking for any information/guidance on the battle insignia for the the MG Company and the Trench Mortar Battery for 90th Brigade, 30th Division. Thanks in advance for any help. Hello Anthony, I am sorry my man but neither of your units are in the Identification Pamphlet. Regards Arthur KRs Antony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antonyspencer Posted 19 October , 2009 Share Posted 19 October , 2009 Arthur, Thanks for looking and thanks to your thread I at least have the shoulder patch fro the 14th Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders. KRs Antony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onesearch Posted 23 October , 2009 Share Posted 23 October , 2009 Hello Arthur, I was wondering if you had any information on the insignia of the 6th KOSB for 1914-1915. Although there is a ref to the Royal Scots in the thread there is nothing for the 13th battalion so I am guessing that it is not referred to in your source..............if however you do have information on ths battalion for 1916-1918 then that would be really interesting too, many thanks Rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted 23 October , 2009 Author Share Posted 23 October , 2009 Hello Arthur, I was wondering if you had any information on the insignia of the 6th KOSB for 1914-1915. Although there is a ref to the Royal Scots in the thread there is nothing for the 13th battalion so I am guessing that it is not referred to in your source..............if however you do have information on ths battalion for 1916-1918 then that would be really interesting too, many thanks Rod Sorry Rod, Nothing for 13th Royal Scots. Only the following for K.O.S.B. 1st 1st/4th 7th/8th 7th/8th Regards Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onesearch Posted 23 October , 2009 Share Posted 23 October , 2009 Hello Arthur, many thanks for looking & prompt reply though, best regards Rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T8HANTS Posted 23 October , 2009 Share Posted 23 October , 2009 Here's a delightfully mothy tunic from my collection, thought to be Wilt's yeomanry, blue circle on right arm, Wessex Griffin on left. G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike_H Posted 24 October , 2009 Share Posted 24 October , 2009 G Re the tunic, I think you will find that it is a Welsh Dragon - 38th (Welsh) Division sign and the blue circle is the battalion sign of the 13th (Service) Bn, The Welsh Regiment (2nd Rhonnda). Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T8HANTS Posted 26 October , 2009 Share Posted 26 October , 2009 Re the tunic, I think you will find that it is a Welsh Dragon - 38th (Welsh) Division sign and the blue circle is the battalion sign of the 13th (Service) Bn, The Welsh Regiment (2nd Rhonnda). Oh the shame, I should have spotted the difference, four legs = Dragon, 2 legs = Griffin. (I think) Interesting though as it came from a blacksmith/farrier in deepest Wiltshire. He'd hung it on a nail in his shop and got back on with his life. His Home Guard B/D blouse was on top. Thanks Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob Yuill Posted 12 April , 2010 Share Posted 12 April , 2010 I have the following information regarding 'Cloth Formation Insignia': Major John Waring's Identification Pamphlet for WWI. It is a Military Heraldry Society publication which has now been long out of print. Details of British, Australian and Canadian insignia are given. They are shown, with a reference to the colour, size and material that they are made from. If this would assist anyone? I would be willing to search it for any queries they may have. Arthur Dear Arthur, I have recently joined this forum after recommendations from a chumm, and was very interested in your post. I'm trying to gain some detail on Patches worn by the 40th Division and in particular the 119th Bde in that Div. I have one secondary source describing that 119 Bde wore variations on the Diamond from the Div insignia but no detail on size, colour and position worn and would be interested if the publication you describe had any further detail. This is to assit with reasearch I'm doing into relatives of a friend of mine. She wishes to replicate the badges to go in a frame with the photo of her relative (21st Middlesex - 119 Bde). My main interest is normaly DLI, but I helping out as she doesn't have much idea about things military. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance for any info you may turn up. RiflemanRob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted 19 April , 2010 Author Share Posted 19 April , 2010 Dear Arthur, I have recently joined this forum after recommendations from a chumm, and was very interested in your post. I'm trying to gain some detail on Patches worn by the 40th Division and in particular the 119th Bde in that Div. I have one secondary source describing that 119 Bde wore variations on the Diamond from the Div insignia but no detail on size, colour and position worn and would be interested if the publication you describe had any further detail. This is to assit with reasearch I'm doing into relatives of a friend of mine. She wishes to replicate the badges to go in a frame with the photo of her relative (21st Middlesex - 119 Bde). My main interest is normaly DLI, but I helping out as she doesn't have much idea about things military. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance for any info you may turn up. RiflemanRob Hi, Give me a couple of days and I'll see what I can come up with for you. Sorry that I cannot do it before hand. Regards Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted 20 April , 2010 Author Share Posted 20 April , 2010 Hi, Give me a couple of days and I'll see what I can come up with for you. Sorry that I cannot do it before hand. Regards Arthur Hi I have the following information, sizes and time of use are given where known: 119th. Bde. 40 Div. All units that served with this Bde: 19th Bn. Royal Welsh Fusiliers Rectangle/Horizontal/Red top/Blue/ Braid 12th Bn. South Wales Borderers Rectangle/Horizontal/3”X1”/Green /Felt 17th Bn. Welsh Regiment Triangle/2“base X 2 ½”sides/ Dark Blue/Felt 18th Bn. Welsh Regiment Rectangle/Horizontal/2 ½”X¾”/Yellow/Braid 119th Machine Gun Company I have no information 119th Trench Mortar Battery I have no information 13th Bn. East Surrey Regiment Rectangle/Horizontal/2 ½”X¾”/Red/Braid 21st Bn. Middlesex Regiment Rectangle/ Horizontal/3”X1”/Black /Felt Note: A shoulder title was also given for this Bn: White block letters and numerals on a Khaki bottom half of an octagon. MIDDLESEX curved below central 21. 10th/11th Bn. Highland Light Infantry Disc/White on a Diamond/Red/Cotton on Felt 13th Bn Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers Diamond/ Red left/ Blue/Felt 13th Bn East Lancashire Regiment I have no information 12th Bn. North Staffordshire Regt I have no information Hope this is of help. Regards Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoj22 Posted 3 May , 2010 Share Posted 3 May , 2010 Very interesting Arthur, do have similar information for the 120th Brigade? many thanks, Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted 4 May , 2010 Author Share Posted 4 May , 2010 Very interesting Arthur, do have similar information for the 120th Brigade? many thanks, Steve. Hello Steve, I'll see what information I can find for you, however, you'll have to bear with me for the moment. Regards Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoj22 Posted 4 May , 2010 Share Posted 4 May , 2010 That's great Arthur, much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted 4 May , 2010 Author Share Posted 4 May , 2010 Very interesting Arthur, do have similar information for the 120th Brigade? many thanks, Steve. Hi Steve, I have the following information, sizes and time of use are given where known: 120th Bde. Diamond/Red/Felt. 11th Bn. The King's Own [Lancaster] Regt. Disc/Blue on a Diamond/Red/Felt on Felt 13th Bn. The Cameronians [scottish Rifles] I have no information on above unit. Unit absorbed into 14th Highland Light Inf. 02/1916 14th Bn. The Highland Light Inf. Disc/Black on a Diamond/Red/Felt on Felt. 13th Bn. The East Surrey Regt. [1]Rectangle/Horizontal/2 ½”X¾”/Red/Cotton. [2]Disc/White on a Diamond/Red/Cotton on Felt. 14th Bn. The Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders. Disc/Buff on a Diamond/Red/Cotton on Felt 12th Bn. The South Lancashire Regt. I have no information on above unit. Unit absorbed into 11th King's Own 03/1916 120th Machine Gun Coy. Diamond/3”X2”/Dark Red/Felt. 120th Trench Mortar Bty. I have no information on above unit. 10th/11th Bn. The Highland Light Inf. Disc/White on a Diamond/Red/Cotton on Felt. 2nd Bn. The Royal Scots Fusiliers. [07/04/1918-25/04/1918] I have no information on above unit. 10th Bn. The King's Own Scottish Borderers. I have no information on above unit. 15th Bn. The King’s Own Yorkshire Light Inf. I have no information on above unit. 11th Bn. The Cameron Highlanders. I have no information on above unit. Hope this is of help. Regards Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoj22 Posted 26 May , 2010 Share Posted 26 May , 2010 A big thank you for this information Arthur, sorry I havn't replied before but I lost the thread. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bantamforgot Posted 6 June , 2010 Share Posted 6 June , 2010 Arthur, Would you have anything on the divisional insignia of the original 35th. Bantam Dvision ie. the "Bantam Cock " prior to the change to the 7 X 5 insignia? Thanking you. Colin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted 30 June , 2010 Author Share Posted 30 June , 2010 Arthur, Would you have anything on the divisional insignia of the original 35th. Bantam Dvision ie. the "Bantam Cock " prior to the change to the 7 X 5 insignia? Thanking you. Colin. Hello Colin, I am sorry to say that there is no time date given for the following: Information taken from Major J Waring’s Identification Pamphlet Nº 2: 104th Brigade 17th Bn, Lancashire Fusiliers Rectangle, Horizontal, 4”X1” Yellow, Braid. 18th Bn, Lancashire Fusiliers Rectangle, Horizontal, 1¼”X ¾” Blue, Braid. 20th Bn, Lancashire Fusiliers Rectangle, Horizontal, 2”X1” Violet, Felt. 23rd Bn, Manchester Regiment Square, No size given, Green, Ribbon with central vertical stripe Yellow [*TD Ribbon!] *Please note that I have no idea what TD Ribbon is! 105th Brigade 15th Bn, Cheshire Regiment Rectangle, Horizontal 2½”X ¾” Yellow, Braid. 16th Bn, Cheshire Regiment Rectangle, Horizontal 2”X 1” Blue, Silk. 14th Bn, Gloucestershire Regiment No information found at this time 15th Bn, Sherwood Foresters No information found at this time 106th Brigade 17th Bn, the Royal Scots No information found at this time 17th Bn, the West Yorkshire Regiment No information found at this time 19th Bn, the Durham Light Infantry No information found at this time 18th Bn, the Highland Light Infantry No information found at this time Divisional Pioneer Battalion 19th Bn, Northumberland Fusiliers Square,1” sides, Black, Felt Hope that this has been of help. Regards Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bantamforgot Posted 30 June , 2010 Share Posted 30 June , 2010 Many thanks Arthur, greatly apreciated, also your other message. Regards. Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landsturm Posted 20 July , 2010 Share Posted 20 July , 2010 Brilliant thread! I'm interested about the battle insignia in 90th Brigade, 30th Division also. Do you happen to have anything on 16th Manchesters? In March 1918? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted 21 July , 2010 Author Share Posted 21 July , 2010 Brilliant thread! I'm interested about the battle insignia in 90th Brigade, 30th Division also. Do you happen to have anything on 16th Manchesters? In March 1918? Hi, Very sorry to report that I have nothing on the 16th Manchesters Regt., in the pamphlet. However, when I get five minutes I will check out the rest of 90th Bde., for you. Regards Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted 21 July , 2010 Author Share Posted 21 July , 2010 Brilliant thread! I'm interested about the battle insignia in 90th Brigade, 30th Division also. Do you happen to have anything on 16th Manchesters? In March 1918? Hi 90th Bde: Sizes and dates given where shown 16th Bn, Manchester Regt: No references 17th Bn, Manchester Regt: Disc White top red bottom Cotton 18th Bn, Manchester Regt: No references 19th Bn, Manchester Regt: Inverted triangle dark green left and orange Cotton 2nd Bn, Royal Scots Fusiliers: No references 90th Machine Gun Company: No references 90th Trench Mortar Battery: No references 2nd Bn, Bedfordshire Regt: No references 14th Bn, Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders: Disc buff on red diamond Cotton on felt 2/14th Bn, London Regt: Disc yellow 2” diameter Silk 2/15th Bn, London Regt: No references 2/16th Bn, London Regt: [1]Disc crimson 2” diameter Felt. Worn on helmet. [2]Disc red rose with grey petals on khaki Embroidered on felt. Regards Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted 23 July , 2010 Author Share Posted 23 July , 2010 Brilliant thread! I'm interested about the battle insignia in 90th Brigade, 30th Division also. Do you happen to have anything on 16th Manchesters? In March 1918? Hi Found it! A vertical rectangle halved horizontally, top half bright yellow and the lower half dark green. Worn on the left shoulder, material and size are unknown. Regards Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landsturm Posted 26 July , 2010 Share Posted 26 July , 2010 Hi Found it! A vertical rectangle halved horizontally, top half bright yellow and the lower half dark green. Worn on the left shoulder, material and size are unknown. Regards Arthur Thank you! This verifies my earlier information. Is there any extra information about the date of usage? Did 16th Manchesters wear this insignia in March 1918? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted 26 July , 2010 Author Share Posted 26 July , 2010 Thank you! This verifies my earlier information. Is there any extra information about the date of usage? Did 16th Manchesters wear this insignia in March 1918? Hi, The information that I have just informs that the formation sign was being worn by the 16th Bn whilst they were attached to the 90th Bde. Regards Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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