AndyBsk Posted 4 April , 2022 Share Posted 4 April , 2022 (edited) The bayonet blade is old from form of maker so i assume made prior 1882, question remains why is bavarian piece marked to XIV army corps which was in reality from Baden, and not from Bayern, E in cursive could be Etappen. Explanation from manual 1897 could be Etappen Fuhrpark kolonne nr.3 des XIV armee Korps, waffe nr.23 Edited 4 April , 2022 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert.f Posted 4 April , 2022 Share Posted 4 April , 2022 Hello. XIV. E.F.3.23- Etappen-Munitions-Kolonnen ,Nr-3, des XIV Arme-Corps , weapon nr 23 . ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 4 April , 2022 Share Posted 4 April , 2022 (edited) There is F for Fuhrpark. Edited 4 April , 2022 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 4 April , 2022 Author Share Posted 4 April , 2022 Fuhrpark means a motor pool I think, thanks Andy, still sounds like a rare or at least scarce type unit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 4 April , 2022 Author Share Posted 4 April , 2022 Have any of you seen another Bavarian like this, with standard features Mortise & guard/ring??? I have not found another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 5 April , 2022 Share Posted 5 April , 2022 I would think it could be a refurbishment piece, where the bavarian blade was used on different grip, note small gap in area of crossguard, same as no acceptance on blade spine, any of avialable inscpector proof should be compared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 5 April , 2022 Author Share Posted 5 April , 2022 I see tiny bit of pitting where blade/ guard join in front, but that is not a gap. I do not believe it was ever taken apart. With all the chaos of war, forming/joining/absorbing remained of units both primary and secondary units of all types. Those major battles lasted many months at a time. More than one German Army group could have been in say first or second battle of the Somme. With all that, who knows how a bayonet could have been sent to another army group athe brass pommel I see as original with the blade. I feature this for the shear rarity of the piece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 6 April , 2022 Share Posted 6 April , 2022 (edited) There is filled area in spine of handle near the crossguard, the middle screw is loose under spring, secondly this is not a WW1 unit, the XIV army corps Etappen Fuhrparks were already in usem since 1870, as mentioned i dont known that Baden used bavarian PFM1871, there is no proof on spine of blade and no acceptance which is certainly strange for a early piece as the Gebr.Simson blade is. So personally believe this is a period refurbished piece with older blade and newer grip and crossguard, certainly much earlier stamped as WW1. there is damaged from toth of gripper on blade ricasso and damage on right side of crossguard probably on period repair. I assume the proofs on pommel are different, should be compared with crossguard proof. Edited 6 April , 2022 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 4 May , 2022 Author Share Posted 4 May , 2022 Hey Everybody, Thank you very much for reaching 10K views. I never thought I would get so many, a first for me. As I have said before, I have been collecting since 1991, but the GWF here is the first time I have ever displayed my collection, on line or at a show/ arms fair. This post and my other on going post, Great War rifles. I will try to keep up now, have many that I have bought, but no get home to photo them, trying though. Thank you all again, very much Sorry been away a good while, I am a very big downloader, my “ Music” external drive crashed with 2.77 Terra of music only, took over 2 weeks try restore, and start over, have 2 music ( back up), up to 1.89T now, rebuilding list slower now, but had to take a break and get back to GWF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 4 May , 2022 Author Share Posted 4 May , 2022 Bayonet #72. 5/3/22 S65/71 PFM Spine. Crown/W/ 05. Small crown/W Maker. Simson & Co. Suhl Unit. Do not know I only found a few photo’s of this piece, I have to have more somewhere, unit marks are on the plain side of hilt, will keep looking. The bushing in the muzzle ring is very plain to see..The final on the pommel has the more scarce type that is swept forward more than the the standard S.71PFM.The blade was cleaned up a bit , do not know how long age, part discolored and the tip area looks to have had pitting long ago, This one came with a beat up scabbard, the scabbard is still interesting to have markings. 2 (Roman #) M D. 88 think, naval scabbard, twisted enough not to fit bayonet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 4 May , 2022 Author Share Posted 4 May , 2022 Bayonet # 73. 5/3/22 S.65/71PFM Spine Crown/W/ 68. Small crown/A Maker V.Jung & So. Suhl. unit. 22.P.1.113. 22nd Pioneer Battalion, 1st Co, waffe 114 Like the other 65/71 conversions, a bushing was added in muzzle ring and a flat was milled down on right side to better see the small, low front site on the M.71 Mauser rifle. Like last piece, the 65/71, the final is swept forward more that standard 71. The back of pommel is stamped 144? I have no idea of what this is fore, anyone have an idea? Looke like some other marking that was scrubbed away. Steel has old peppering but still in pretty good condition . Top of tang with small crown/ cypher scabbard with 2 good size cyphers, scabbard bent up a good bit but still can fit a bayonet, brass staple intact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 4 May , 2022 Share Posted 4 May , 2022 (edited) Nice bayonets even the 72 is probably not a PFM65/71 as in 1905 could be not used the Dreyse rifles, i assume this is a repair piece, with various parts on it and one is older S65/71 crossguard. I assume the mouth fittings with steel material it could be from HF71 marked to II. Matrosen Division or other Navy unit, so remains a question is it proper as complet? 73 is normal PFM65/71, the handles are more heavy on older modells, the 144 could be assembly, production bunch or inventory number. Edited 4 May , 2022 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 4 May , 2022 Share Posted 4 May , 2022 Well done on the 10K Steve - well deserved! Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyH Posted 4 May , 2022 Share Posted 4 May , 2022 Steve, congratulations on the 10K. Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 17 May , 2022 Share Posted 17 May , 2022 Steve excellent bayonets over there!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 11 August , 2022 Author Share Posted 11 August , 2022 Hey guy’s, sorry been away two months, work been hassle and being diabetic ( 1 year now) had hard time renewing my Government Medical Certificate, Was out work almost 3 weeks, no one told me it was 3 simple exams, took two states, a canceled appt, a refusal because not in their med system and even had a Doc call in sick the day before/ after waiting 8 days, Good news, back to work, playing catch up now. I got to go home for a poor 4 days, but had lot goodies in the post, I will start with these I. Next few days I hope everyone is doing well these days, I have been a little worried about Julian, ( Trajan), he has not been receiving Any PM’s from me, not sure if simply his GWF mailbox full or he may be sick. I hope for the best for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 11 August , 2022 Share Posted 11 August , 2022 (edited) Nice bunch of interesting bayonets as allways by You, good to hear You are back. Nice Yugoslavian M24b, Chassepot with german refurbished scabbard, Panchin sight M91/30 early type, M91 training bayonet. one of the M86/15 Lebels is probably german shortage. And offcoarse many great german WW1 bayonets. Edited 11 August , 2022 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyH Posted 11 August , 2022 Share Posted 11 August , 2022 Welcome back Steve. Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 11 August , 2022 Author Share Posted 11 August , 2022 Thank’s guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWC Posted 11 August , 2022 Share Posted 11 August , 2022 A lot of great looking bayonets you got there Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 18 August , 2022 Author Share Posted 18 August , 2022 SORRY TO HAVE BEEN GONE SO LONG I GOT A BUNCH OF BAYONETS AND CARBINES AND RIFLES, MY FRIEND PAUL BOUGHT AN OLDER GUY'S COLLECTION OF 30-40 YEARS, THINK,HOPE YOU GUYS MIGHT LIKE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 18 August , 2022 Author Share Posted 18 August , 2022 BAYONET # 74 8/17/22 S98/05nA SPINE CROWN / W / 16 CROWN/LETTER? MAKER P.D. LUNESCHLOSS SOLINGEN UNIT 58.E.A.2.149. FOR ,THINK 58TH ERSATZ INFANTRY ARTILLERY BATTALION,SECOND COMPANY,WAFFE 149 MY FIRST 98/05 UNIT MARKED BAYONET! WITH SCABBARD and FROG, SAW BACKED, SECOND PATTERN (nA), flash guard, all round, has some wear to it, teeth are still good but some wear there as well,one grip exellent,but other is good, the scabbard, nice tight stitching but shows it's wear on the final, frog missing 1 rivet, but still fully functional.............. IT HAS THAT LOOK, I BEEN THROUGH A WAR, HELL and SURVIVED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 18 August , 2022 Share Posted 18 August , 2022 The frog looks like made from S84/98 or S98 frog with remove of middle stich? the unit should be probably Ersatz Battalion of F.Art.Rgt. nr.58, 2.Batt. and weapon nr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 21 August , 2022 Author Share Posted 21 August , 2022 (edited) Bayonet #75. 8/21/22 98/05aA Spine. Crown/W/15. Crown/ letter? Maker. Erfurt. Unit. None An early “ tall ear” piece, many of these were converted or “ transition piece by adding a flash guard and/ or rounding off the ears. This piece was left alone, gtip’s are good, slight wear, one grip is a little lighter than the other, common, from wearing the bayonet, the exposed/ outside grip got more wear from exposed, rubbed ect.Blade is plain, in very good shape. Scabbard, top, chape and final both have a little rust, I no time to try clean it up, top is a tiny bit loose, but the original steel staple is still intact, seam intact. An odd part ( for me) is that the throat on most 98/05’s is cut with a point or “V” shape for the blade, but this one is rounded off. Probably not rare, I just think it odd is all Edited 21 August , 2022 by Steve1871 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 21 August , 2022 Share Posted 21 August , 2022 (edited) Scabbard (or only mouth piece) was made in Solingen producer with C proof. There is question as no one of the screws are proofed, that the grips could be from S98/05nA and not from aA as the spine of tang is visible here? One explanation would be the wood shrunked in time by bad storage or there was a flashguard and it was removed in time and replaced grips. On screws slots is visible they were removed intime. I assume the V letter proof is on pommel and spine. Edited 21 August , 2022 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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