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Imperial German Bayonet’s from my Collection


Steve1871

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Oh well spotted Sir Mortimer!

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Thank you Sir Mortimer, still a good bayonet, great blade. I wonder what movie/ movies this bayonet might have been in? No way to ever tell. Maybe even “ All Quiet on the Western Front”?!

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It could be too a S or more 6 digit, by turkish bayonets, hard to believe they went to USA and back. I assume the piece is a shortage to 25cm blade.

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A 6 or letter G?, think Like Andy, no can see being surplus in U.S., and then end up in Turkey

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Bayonet # 89.         
2/2/23

S.71. Standard

Spine            Crown/AR/ 93.    Saxon
Maker.          Simson & Co. Suhl
Unit.             177.R.1.107.   
177 Saxon Infantry Regiment, 1st Kompany,Waffe 107

 

God I need to clean the Brass pommel up, looks horrid.Main things being a Saxon and MATCHING. The blade in great shape. The leather body shrunk maybe a CM or so. Pommel looks to have part of a stamp. Scabbard very good, except tiny shrinkage, is perfectly strait, seam and both brass staples intact, throat with large crowned c stamp

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I personally would leave as is, as there are probably remains of period green paint. Only with parts visible even on scabbard fittings. The 177IR was located in Dresden, personally i believe the AR stamp was restamped with C or O by withdrawing the piece from service. Interesting piece.

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Yes, I'd agree - leave as it is, with a nice patina and colouring!

The Kgl. Sächs. 12. Infanterie-Regiment Nr.177 was a late creation, established in 1897, and so got much of its equipment 'second-hand'. Of the at least five other known bayonets for the regiment, 3 are Simson, and the issue dates include a ;W/91', two 'AR 92, and an 'AR 94', one being illegible. Interestingly enough, of the five known example, three are for the 1st company like yours, number 1.5, 1.96. and 1.188.

Julian

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Thanks for Julian infos, at crossguard You could see the file traces under first 1, i assume the first 7 has something different under, on scabbard was most real the new unit moved to right as the 17.7. have old dot between, and the first 1 has single 1 in front of it. same as old 0  or 2 is between 107.

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The original number on the sheath was dotted (file-like) and stamped with Saxon

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Great information there Trajan and Andy, thank’s!!!

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Sounds good. Will leave as isn’t 

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Bayonet #90.      
2/4/23

S.98aA.    Quillback

Spine.        Crown/W/01
Maker.        Erfurt
Unit.           160.R.2.77.        
160th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Kompany  waffe  77

Kind of interesting, Bayonet #4 is also from same regiment,both same year make ( 01) but different kompany. 
All markings in right places scabbard in great shape.scabbard not unit marked. Frog stud has a serial number, I think would be Weimar period

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Hey Bert, I really do not know about numbers on the frog stud. Weimar period sometimes did this, also, Bavaria would add numbers there, I believe

This piece, the rib’s are in perfect shape, a lot of times, they are pretty worn 

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Could be, I simply do not know

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The possibility of Yugoslavian serials could be, but the font is not correct (prior this one never heard that Yugoslavian would renumbered old configuration), i would for simple answer this could be a Peruvian M1909 scabbard, any inspector proof on mouth, fittings and ball finial? I would compare a Peruvian serials with this font.

Bayonet S98aA is nice condition.Even we dont see the unit, i believe Steve is  right by deciphering, the screw countersunk were proofed to remove sometime.

https://www.lawranceordnance.com/default_firearms/firearms-accessories/bt10016.html

http://www.dg.de/en/militaria/bayonets/peruvian-bayonet-1909-simson-suhl-1490

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You are right Andy, the font is definitely different.

My mistake

Compared with the Yugoslav number on the scabbard from S 98/05

pozdro. Bert

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Dont worry about Bert, Your pictured scabbard is probably reworked from yugoslavian M24 bayonet, i assume its a shortage? the S98/05 should be reworked too inside, when You have time send me complete piece photo to personal message board, to not add mix here on excellent Steves WW1 pieces page.Thanks.

To Steve i believe the M1909 Peru scabbard was made by Simson &CO Suhl, as majority are reported over 21xxx-25xxx range.

https://stewartsmilitaryantiques.com/german-mfg-peruvian-m1909-bayonet-simson-co-suhl-matching.29059.archive.htm

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For what it is worth I tend to think also that scabbard has a Peruvian serial number.

Julian 

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I agree, Peruvian, my Peruvian also reads from the “left” where Andy’s link also reads left. Bert, your photo show’s 98/05, Czech reuse reads from the right, Holding scabbard Horizontal so bayonet is on left or right side

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Bayonet #91.    
2/12/23 

S.98/05aAS.   
 

Spine.            Crown/W/06.     Crown/letter??
Maker.           Erfurt
Unit.              III.  6.

 

big thing is the odd war time unit stamp. Look’s real. Think was a rushed job. A poor strike on the “III”, looks like a bounce/ double strike. The second dot was struck too hard. Nothing else was added or scrubbed away. My guess is that it was shipped ( with lot others) from Erfurt to third Army corps. Held in reserve, a lot of re-arming after major battles, got stamped “ 6”  to be shipped out and....?

Bayonet has many stamps, not sure if partial one on pommel end, but there is a nice Fraktur crown/D just in front of mortise slot. I seen stamps there, rarly on quillbacks, but first time I remember seeing one there in a 98/05.  Slowly turning patina but good shape overall

scabbard ( old sticker need get rid) one crease but otherwise good. Photos look black, but is a dark brown

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Hey Demitrios, welcome back! Can you make sense of this unit?

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