zuluwar2006 Posted 13 January , 2020 Author Share Posted 13 January , 2020 On 01/12/2019 at 04:57, Steve1871 said: So the extension tube is not just to adjust the reach of muzzle to Lug, but also a Bushing to reduce the MRD for the 8mm Gew.88. It is more clear to me now. And yes, As I said/ think, If they made this kind of Unique conversion on one or more other types of Bayonets, one would come to believe this to be another conversion standard/ type/practice that they did. Hope you Kick Butt and WIN the case! I will cheat for you! Good Luck I forgot to mention and this extremely rare ersatz bayonet, with the iron tube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 13 January , 2020 Share Posted 13 January , 2020 Another nice one Dimitrios! An EB 20 for the Mosin-Nagant! Never seen one in person but Mery shows three pages of these - including period photographs - in his 2nd English edition (2019) of the German Ersatz Bayonet ,pages 52-54. From what remains of the crossguard marking, this was originally "VII.58." for 58 Landsturm Bataillion Minden (Armee Korps VII/ 58), with the Kompagnie and weapon number on the reverse of the crossguard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 2 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 2 February , 2020 On 25/12/2019 at 13:02, zuluwar2006 said: An EB 13 bayonet with fullered blade and one piece steel crossguard, in good condition. This one is a very rare to find model. Unit marking is I E B J R 135 and from the other side of the crossguard the number 210. Field gray paint still exists on the pommel. Unfortunately no scabbard with this one. 1st Ersatz Bataillon Infantry Regiment No 135, number of weapon 210. 135 Infantry Regiment had 2 ersatz Bataillon. The 135 with the 144th Infantry Regiment, were part of the 6 Brigade. The 135 Infantry Regiment officially had the name 3 Lothriginsches Infanterie Regiment. I am posting another unit marking from the same a Infantry. It seems that armourers of this Infantry did not follow the official rules for the unit marking on the bayonets. This may happen as armourers did not had enough time to be precise on unit markings, as they were at the front line. Regards and Merry Christmas to all, D. Some more closer photos of the unit marking. It has and the number 1 after 135, so 1st platoon, number of weapon 210. Regards D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 3 February , 2020 Share Posted 3 February , 2020 Nice to see some of the paint still remains! Jullian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 20 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 20 February , 2020 A bayonet very rare S 71/84 nA with sawback. Manufacturer is Sömmerda Unit marking is for Bayrisches 2nd Reserve Regiment = B.2.R.R.1.286 (König Ludwig von Bayern) Date is 1891. Sommerda produced bayonets with 43 teeth and those bayonets only made on 1891. The sawteeth start closer to the crossguard than other firms, like WK & C and COPPEL (which have 46 teeth) and they continue closer to the tip than on the specifications of this bayonet. Also the date, accepting stamp and royal Cypher, have been stamp on the right side of the blade and not on the back. A very rare bayonet for the Bayern army. Only 6% were delivered of this model from total bayonets to the NCO'S, which make it even rarer (and because it was delivered to Bayern units). Unfortunately it came without scabbard. Regards D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 20 February , 2020 Share Posted 20 February , 2020 Exelent there Demitrios. I have spent too much money on these expensive rare to very rare old pointy things, but with your vast collection of Rare, Inthought I had several that have escaped your grasp, then you had to find a Bavarian S71PFM, , then I thought, well at least I have a few 71/84m/s. Sawback, now you do it again! just how do you find all these rare gems, It had to be very expensive. Anothrr fine piece for your envious collection, thanks for the post/ pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 21 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 21 February , 2020 Steve, thank you, but you are still the leader on several very rare bayonets!!! I was looking for a sawback 71/84 by Sömmerda manufacturer, several years, but prices were over 1000 euros. Now I pick it up in half of price. Regards D. P. S. More bayonets will follow shortly, as I manage to get some very rare finds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 21 February , 2020 Share Posted 21 February , 2020 Looks like a rare bird,congratulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 21 February , 2020 Share Posted 21 February , 2020 Yes, a rarity indeed. I'd be happy with any of their bayonets, sawbacked or not! Great find D., thanks for sharing it with us all! Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 22 February , 2020 Share Posted 22 February , 2020 Some older pic’s, I will have a 4th in perhaps 2 months. Notice both, same maker but difference in teeth and distance they start from cross guard Will be adding one more in about 2 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 22 February , 2020 Share Posted 22 February , 2020 The last bayonet, that is very hard dried grease, not rust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 23 February , 2020 Share Posted 23 February , 2020 Oh, you guys, Steve and D., I'll never get as wonderful a collction as either of you have! So, thanks for posting them! One question, though, Steve - I always had you marked down as mainly a S.1871 and associaated types collector, with an slight interest in other German Imperials - but I saw those P.1888's in the background...!!! Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 23 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 23 February , 2020 Thank you Julian, Steve and Andy for your nice words and your excellent analysis on Ww1 german bayonets. Here is a very rare bayonet, rarely seen. An ersatz plain bayonet, never recorded before with unit marking. On Roy Williams book, is numbered as EB 14. Is a modified version of EB 3, with part of the open muzzle ring removed, leaving a "U" shape. Single edge shortened steel blade with wide rounded fullers and a unit mark very rare, never recorded before. Overall Length is 417 mm and blade length is 291 mm. Unit marking is 11.J.1 D.3.15 This must be readed as 11th Infantry Regiment, 1st Depot, 3rd platoon, number of weapon 15. Between 1 and D there is no any dot, so I assume this must be for Depot??? Any opinions are welcomed. Regards D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 23 February , 2020 Share Posted 23 February , 2020 Hey Julian, I collect 1860’s breech loaders to 1950’s with their bayonets with M71 family the center of my interest .Those P.1888 bayonets, have posted them before and another post of them with 3 or 4 ( R.I.C. And N.Z.) carbines Hope you are doing well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 23 February , 2020 Share Posted 23 February , 2020 Thanks for post of your new bayonet. I have no experience with Ersatz, A large and wide variety and variation. Another rare gem to be proud of. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 23 February , 2020 Share Posted 23 February , 2020 11 J is not typical for Infantry regiment, it would be possible Jaeger explanation too, 1 D could be first Detachement, but is hard to say,same as Depot is possible. But by Depot unit would be hard to believe there existed 3 companies. Thats allways by war period units stamps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 24 February , 2020 Share Posted 24 February , 2020 15 hours ago, zuluwar2006 said: ...Unit marking is 11.J.1 D.3.15 This must be readed as 11th Infantry Regiment, 1st Depot, 3rd platoon, number of weapon 15. Between 1 and D there is no any dot, so I assume this must be for Depot??? I need to think on that one! Depot-issued bayonets normally had just the weapon number, no company number. Perhaps a Diziplinar Abteilung? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 24 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 24 February , 2020 (edited) A type A hilt ersatz socket bayonet, using a British P 1853 socket blade. The bayonet has a steel hilt. The blade is triangular steel, from a British Enfield P 1853 with german crown acceptance marks above the fuller. On Roy William book the reference is ES 13 (number 560). Overall Length 561 mm. Blade length 438 mm. Scabbards length 486 mm. The scabbard has a round brass frogstud (type I is the reference on Roy Williams book). This type of ersatz bayonets, are made with a preesed sheet steel hilt and separate steel crossguard. This type often described by collectors as smooth type Hilt. The frog is leather and has a maker's stamp and date 1915. Regards D. Edited 24 February , 2020 by zuluwar2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyH Posted 24 February , 2020 Share Posted 24 February , 2020 Demitrios, That's a rare one. Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 24 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 24 February , 2020 Dear Mike Thank you for the comment. Yes, it is rare and the scabbard is type I, even rarer. And in good condition but with lot of rust on surface, which must be clean it. Regards D. P. S. Some more photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 24 February , 2020 Share Posted 24 February , 2020 (edited) The bayonet is nice, i dont known exactly what they are for old modell refurbished to ASG bayonet, frog is WW2 period for S84/98, the backside is mostly 193 or 194x stamped, there is a secure strap removed which was never used in WW1. The maker is of Protectorat G.. Singer, Klattau and year of production. Edited 24 February , 2020 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 24 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 24 February , 2020 A ha, you are in my mind Andy. But the date I think is 1915. Do you think is 1935??? I will try some closer photos but is very Faint the stamp and cannot make out any sense. Regards D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 24 February , 2020 Share Posted 24 February , 2020 (edited) It could be Bohumil Singer in Klattau (Klatovy) some stamps of later period are G.Singer marked,(Yours could be marked Gebrued. or Gedeon? Singer), possible 1939, in Protektorat Boehmen und Maehren, is south Czechia about 40km south from Pilsen and not so wide from town Ceske Budejovice. Edited 25 February , 2020 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 26 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 26 February , 2020 An extremely rare ersatz sword bayonet. Conversion with the Baden 185571 sword bayonet blade. This bayonet was made from a serrated steel grip fitted with a blade from the Grand aDuchy of Baden. The work was done in the Altona Artillery Depot. The bayonet has still a lot of rust on it. Traces of original marking for A. D. ALTONA are visible on the back of the grip. This is the only model with this unit marking, as far as I know. This is an extremely rare model and only very few exists. This is the only one I have seen during my life, as a collector. When cleaned enought, I will repost new photos. Regards D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 27 February , 2020 Share Posted 27 February , 2020 That was converted for Gew88 or Gew98 will post/ ask more later, driving in steep mountain’s right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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