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zuluwar2006

hello trajan, 

here are some bayonets from my collection.

all the best

regards, dimitrios

FAR 80 98.05.jpg

FAR 80 98.05 A.jpg

MG 21 84.98.jpg

MG 21 84.98 A.jpg

GRAS ERSATZ SHORT 1.jpg

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GRAS ERSATZ SHORT 2.jpg

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trajan

Top one is 98/05? Marked for, possibly: Landwehr Munitions Kolonne ... But it needs some thinking to sort the rest out!

 

Then  a Machine Gun Company marking for 21 Infanerie Regiment, weapon bo. 50 

 

Last ine a French Gras superficially, but converted to become a Bavarian bayonet?

 

 

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The Prussian

Hello!

Julian, that stamp in very strange...

I read FAR80 (Feldart.Rgt.80), but the abbreviation might be A.

Landwehr-Mun.Kol doesn´t maske any sense. There only were Landwehr-Mun.Kol.Abteilungen, attached to Korps.

Maybe "leichte Mun.Kol"?  In 1918 the regiment recieved three l.MK (1324, 869 and 1325) but they had their own numbers... strange...

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Droocoo

Very interesting! As a non-bayonet collector, how often were these marked with their unit?

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trajan
7 hours ago, The Prussian said:

Hello!

Julian, that stamp in very strange...

I read FAR80 (Feldart.Rgt.80), but the abbreviation might be A.

Landwehr-Mun.Kol doesn´t maske any sense. There only were Landwehr-Mun.Kol.Abteilungen, attached to Korps.

Maybe "leichte Mun.Kol"?  In 1918 the regiment recieved three l.MK (1324, 869 and 1325) but they had their own numbers... strange...

 

It is odd. I did briefly wonder if it was a fake - but why make up a fake unit mark when plenty of real ones to copy? Note also, this is a post-August but pre-September or so 1915 bayonet, when unit-markings were technically not being applied, so could be done by somebody without a copy of the actual regulations to hand.

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The regulations in force  in 1914 state that bayonets - as with all weapons - were only to be marked for units that needed these in peace-time duties while 'on service', as it were, from standing guard duty to providing men for a parade of some kind. They were also supposed to be dropped in war-time, but I know of bayonets and pistols still being marked as late as 1918. However, while a large number of pre-1914 bayonets that I have seen are unit-marked, I have also observed a distinct drop-off after 1915 once new weaponry started to be issed to replace that lost in field service. So, for example, almost all S.98 I have seen are unit marked; but these stopped being made in 1914/1915. Almost all pre 1915 S.98/05 I have seen are marked, but I have yet to see, for example, a unit-marked example of a 1915 or later Waffenfabrik S.98/05, one of the most numerous types ever made, with production begining around August of 1915.

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zuluwar2006

THE 98/05 UNIT MARKED BAYONET, I PURCHASE IT FROM BELGIUM, THE MARKING IS ORIGINAL, AS FAR AS I CAN SAY.

THE F.A.R., I CAN EXPLAI IT.,

THE LEICHTE MUNITION KOLLONE [L.M.K.] IS STRANGE UNIT MARKING FOR ME, ALTHOUGHT I DO HAVE ANOTHER WAR TIME  LMK MARKED 98/05 BAYONET.

ANY IDEAS FELLOWS, ARE ALL ACCEPTED, FROM NEGATIVES, TO POSSITIVES...

REGARDS TO ALL

DIMITRIOS

 

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zuluwar2006

AND ANOTHER ONE FROM MY COLLECTION

A SAME UNIT MARKED 84/98 BAYONET 2ND PATTERN, WAR TIME MARKED.

LET ME KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS

REGARDS

DIMITRIOS

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zuluwar2006

AND AN ERSATZ UNIT MARKED, WITH SAME UNIT MARKING ON CROSSGUARD AND SCABBARD

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zuluwar2006

AND A BELGIAN COMBLAIN CONVERTED FROM GERMANS, WITH ART. DEP. MAGD. UNIT MARKING

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zuluwar2006

AND THIS ONE, THE LAST FOR TODAY.

A 98/05 PLAIN, 2ND PATTERN 98/05 BAYONET,

ROY, LOVED THIS UNIT MARKING, AS A VERY RARE WAR TIME UNIT MARKIN, NEVER SEEN BEFORE.

ALL THE BEST AND REGARDS TO ALL FELLOWS COLLECTORS.

DIMITRIOS

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zuluwar2006

AND SINCE I MENTION OUR MISSING FRIEND ROY, 

THIS ERSATZ WAS HIS FAVOURITE, FOR THE RARE UNIT MARKING ON IT.

REGARDS, DIMITRIOS

P.S. EVERY SUNDAY, I AM THINKING ROY AND I MISSED SO MUCH OUR ENDLESS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT BAYONETS AND WW1.

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trajan

Hi Dimitrios,

 

Yes, dear Roy... As with Carter, a great loss to the bayonet world...

 

Have to sign off here now soon but thanks for showing and I''ll come back on tomorrow about these 

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zuluwar2006

ok, good night to all and a photo from my ersatz lebel bayonet, with a very rare unit mark.

regards, dimitrios

lebel-1.jpg

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20 hours ago, zuluwar2006 said:

AND ANOTHER ONE FROM MY COLLECTION

A SAME UNIT MARKED 84/98 BAYONET 2ND PATTERN, WAR TIME MARKED.

LET ME KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS

REGARDS

DIMITRIOS

 

 

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In the pub' - or what we have near to me for a pub' in Turkey! - and away from books. But, I am pretty certain this is a Maschinengewehr-Scharfschützen-Abteilung  mark, and so Abteilung 1, Waffe 22.

 

The scabbard has sadly lost its lip and I suppose the internal springs as well? 

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20 hours ago, zuluwar2006 said:

AND AN ERSATZ UNIT MARKED, WITH SAME UNIT MARKING ON CROSSGUARD AND SCABBARD

ersatz bayonet-1.jpg

ersatz bayonet-2.jpg

ersatz bayonet-3.jpg

 

A wild guess! 9.Landwehr Infantry Ersatz Batailion ???

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20 hours ago, zuluwar2006 said:

AND THIS ONE, THE LAST FOR TODAY.

A 98/05 PLAIN, 2ND PATTERN 98/05 BAYONET,

ROY, LOVED THIS UNIT MARKING, AS A VERY RARE WAR TIME UNIT MARKIN, NEVER SEEN BEFORE.

ALL THE BEST AND REGARDS TO ALL FELLOWS COLLECTORS.

DIMITRIOS

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I would really need to look at my books and files for this one! 

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trajan
20 hours ago, zuluwar2006 said:

AND SINCE I MENTION OUR MISSING FRIEND ROY, 

THIS ERSATZ WAS HIS FAVOURITE, FOR THE RARE UNIT MARKING ON IT.

REGARDS, DIMITRIOS

P.S. EVERY SUNDAY, I AM THINKING ROY AND I MISSED SO MUCH OUR ENDLESS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT BAYONETS AND WW1.

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So, Landwehr Landwehr-Feldartillerie-Regiment Nr. 251, 5 Batterie, Waffe 43?

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trajan
19 hours ago, zuluwar2006 said:

ok, good night to all and a photo from my ersatz lebel bayonet, with a very rare unit mark.

regards, dimitrios

lebel-1.jpg

lebel-2.jpg

 

Looks like you have the same balcony table as we do!

 

Anyway, I have never seen one marked this way - thanks for showing - we learn something every day! But ? 2 Train batailion XIV Armee Korps 1 Komp. Waffe 23 ?

 

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zuluwar2006

YES,

YOU ARE CORRECT AT ALL THE DEFINES YOU MADE!!!!

I AM PUZZLING ABOUT THE A.248.7.B MARKING

I AM NOT ABLE TO GET A POINT UNTIL TODAY.

IF ANYONE CAN HELP, THAT WILL BE GREAT.

REGARDS, DIMITRIOS

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N White

That ersatz Gras...

 

Someday, maybe.

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Steve1871

Hello Zuluwar2006.

You have a great collection there, many post with even more bayonets

with some rare, very impressive Ersatz's.I still no know Regimental marks .You have some with so long and complex looking (to me)

that they almost run out of steel to stamp.I sure your proud of your collection. Thanks for sharing!👍

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zuluwar2006

Thank you Steve,

you are well too, as i can see from your collection.

especially a lot H 1865 bayonets i can see, lucky you!!!!!

Here is one pfm 71, with date 91, from my collection.

Regards

D.

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zuluwar2006

A VERY RARE UNIT MARKING, FROM WAR TIME PERIOD.

ARTILLERY DEPOT LUDWIGSBURG

OR

FELD ARTILLERY REGIMENT [REKRUTEN] DEPOT

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zuluwar2006

FELD ARTILLERY REGIMENT, RESERVE

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