AndyBsk Posted 29 September , 2020 Share Posted 29 September , 2020 (edited) Thats good news,we are waiting for the forgotten bayonets,all the best.A. Edited 29 September , 2020 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 29 September , 2020 Share Posted 29 September , 2020 Just glad you are healing, getting better. Thanks for your post. Take care of yourself first, will look forward to more of your rare treasures in the future 😊 P.S. Doctor Steve said to try a few shots of Whiskey before bed to easy any pain!😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 30 September , 2020 Share Posted 30 September , 2020 21 hours ago, zuluwar2006 said: Dear friends, I am good in my health, after an important accident I suffer, Thank you all for your messages, I am sorry I could not answer, but I was unable to do anything. Now I am better. Last days i had time to search my collection and found some more bayonets I had forgot I have!!! After the accident, I believe my brain is working better😃 I will be back soon All the best to all (and covid free) D. It is so good to see you back and so sorry about the accident! Now to bayonets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 2 October , 2020 Author Share Posted 2 October , 2020 A very rare seen war time unit marked 98/05 aA bayonet plain, with the iron scabbard. Unit marking for 236 Infantry Regiment. The 235th and 236th Reserve Infantry Regiments were from the Prussian Rhine Province. Manufacturer is ALEX COPPEL SOLINGEN. Date on the spine of the blade "15", for 1915. Unit marking = 236.R.3.77 Infantry Regiment number 236, 3d company, number of weapon 77. Extremely rare to find unit marked Ww1 bayonets from wartime formations. Very good condition. Rhine Province (German: Rheinprovinz), also known as Rhenish Prussia (Rheinpreußen) or synonymous with the Rhineland (Rheinland), was the westernmost province of the Kingdom of Prussia and the Free State of Prussia, within the German Reich, from 1822 to 1946. It was created from the provinces of the Lower Rhine and Jülich-Cleves-Berg. Its capital was Koblenz. Here are and 2 photos from soldiers of the 236 Infantry Regiment. Regards D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 3 October , 2020 Share Posted 3 October , 2020 That is really Great to show troop photos to the unit on the bayonet. Thanks and again, welcome back Demitrios! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 4 October , 2020 Author Share Posted 4 October , 2020 A rare unit marked ersatz bayonet, with iron scabbard. EB 34 (Roy Williams book for ersatz bayonets). Only 1 on 200 ersatz was unit marked (0,5% according Anthony Carter). Unit marking is for 145th (6th Lotharingian) King’s Infantry, which was part of the XVI Army Corps. Unit marking is 145.R.5.97 145 Infantry Regiment 7th company, number of weapon 97. Condition is very good. The last of photos, show soldiers from the 145 infantry regiment. Regards D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 4 October , 2020 Share Posted 4 October , 2020 Bayonet is nice, problem with Carter percentage is that , that majority of ersatz ASG 88/98 were melted down to scrap iron, so mostly only small ammount remained by soldiers bringbacks. real numbers could be probably never confirmed. Strange here is too the backears for 2 diameters are moved backside, so most probably used on a Gew88 rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 13 October , 2020 Share Posted 13 October , 2020 On 04/10/2020 at 19:41, AndyBsk said: Bayonet is nice, problem with Carter percentage is that , that majority of ersatz ASG 88/98 were melted down to scrap iron, so mostly only small ammount remained by soldiers bringbacks. real numbers could be probably never confirmed. Strange here is too the backears for 2 diameters are moved backside, so most probably used on a Gew88 rifle. Andy, you are forgtting the large numbers that went to Turkey in 1916+, and then to the USA 1970+, where Carter saw what was coming in. I would agree though that unit-marked examples are rare Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 18 October , 2020 Author Share Posted 18 October , 2020 A very rare unit marked ersatz EB 8 bayonet (variation of EB 7 - number 433 on Williams book for ersatz bayobets) with iron ersatz scabbard type vi (one piece sheet steel pressed to shape with the tip hammered over and brazed at the side). Two piece steel crossguard and double diameter open muzzle ring. The hilt with a round oil hole drilled close to the crossguard. Single edge steel unfullered blade with uneven fuller added later, probably a factory modification according Roy Williams. Unit marking is E. L. R. 76 Landwehr Infanterie Regiment/Ersatz Bataillon, number 76 (2nd Hanseatisches Regiment). A war time unit marking very rare seen. Regards D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 1 November , 2020 Author Share Posted 1 November , 2020 An extremely rarely seen Bayerisches Seitengewehr 69/98. This sword bayonet is a modification of the Bavarian M 1869 Werder sword bayonet (or Bavarian Artillery Seitengewehr Model 1892). The blade was reused and welded to the tang of an S 98 grip. The original bayonet was modified by removing the ribbed brass hilt and complete crossguard. The original hilt was secured to the blade by 2 steel rivets, one close to the guard and another securing the spring and by the tang which was peened over, where it emerged at the end of the pommel. Once the hilt was removed, the steel crossguard could be slipped off the tang. A new crossguard with a swept back quillon and high sides to its concave upper part, like those of the S 98/05 aA, was then positioned and secured by 2 steel rivets ground flush with the crossguard's sides. The original tang was reshaped and a new steel pommel welded in place. This modification was made by the firm of Simon & Co, Suhl, who were issued with a patent for an electric welding machine. U fortunately no scabbard on this specimen. In August 1914 the stock in the Artillery depots was more than 22.360 model 1869 bayonets to be modified for 1898 firearms. Finally only half of these bayonets were modified for the Gewehr 98. On this modification no manufacturer, neither date has been recorded. Very few bayonets with regimental markings exist. Sometimes on very good condition specimens, a control stamp can be seen at the beginning of the blade edge. Simon & Co, Suhl, never stamped the modified bayonets with their own trademark, although they usually removed the original markings with the exception of the 1880 date, which is often still visible on blades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 1 November , 2020 Share Posted 1 November , 2020 (edited) You means probably a S98/05 grip as S98 dont have so long guard and upper ears of barell ring, question is where it was welded of blade and tang, about Simson hard to say, the S14 is well known this could be made in Amberg too teoretically. Detailed picture of handgrip and ricasso area where is the broken wooden grip could be helpfull. Condition of blade doesnt looks that i was with scabbard, a lot of rust areas, strange the pommel is clear of this. The round cleaning holes speaks for Amberg arsenal. I personally dont like the blued finish of tang and pommel, it was cleaned or restored evidently. Edited 3 November , 2020 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 1 November , 2020 Share Posted 1 November , 2020 Another rare and great find. Is it marked in any way? Thanks for sharing! I know it is slow and hard to heal from an accident.Hope you are recovering well. Again, Dr. Steve recommends a few shots of Whisky each night to help any pain🤶 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickus61 Posted 2 November , 2020 Share Posted 2 November , 2020 A great find!! A fantastic and very rare bayonet. I was searching for a long time to get my 69/98. A shame with the broken grip - to find a spare grip it´s much rarer than a complet bayonet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 3 November , 2020 Author Share Posted 3 November , 2020 Some better photos from S 69/98 bayonet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 10 November , 2020 Author Share Posted 10 November , 2020 A very rare bayonet AS M/71 (Artillerie Seitengewehr) with brushed muzzle ring for the Jägerbüchse M/71 rifle. With Saxon regimental marking for the 19th (2nd) Saxon Fussartillerie - Regiment/Landwehr Bataillon, 2nd company, number of weapon 69. On the blade the date of manufactured is 62 for 1862 with a crown. On the edge of the handle the number 8434. Manufacturer is the firm Clemen and Jung, Solingen. An L (?) on the back edge of the blade. On the crossguard a crowned date, 62 (?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 10 November , 2020 Share Posted 10 November , 2020 (edited) I believe there is 12.Reserve Fuss Artillery regiment in background,the new units looks like 19.Lw.R is stamped over, the old M1860 proof looks prussian. Maker is Gebr.Weyersberg. Edited 11 November , 2020 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 11 November , 2020 Share Posted 11 November , 2020 Hey Demitrios, You consider the S60/71 Fusilier to be very rare? You can still find original S60’s once in a while. Converted, the S60/71 bushed is the more common, but on old post of mine, I also have a 60’ with a new S71 cross guard, not orig. bushed . Do you know fairly close, as to how many were converted? Which one of the three would you consider the scarcest??🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 11 November , 2020 Share Posted 11 November , 2020 One on left has new S71 guard, center is original S60 and the bushed, you can see on right. Here in the States, they all disappeared, must be hiding in U.K. And Europe, only know 2 right now, both sellers say $2000, that is steep, 😣 By the way, love your S69/98 Yatagan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 11 November , 2020 Author Share Posted 11 November , 2020 Steve This model I am referring on my collection, is the Saxony Art. S M 60/71, the rarest all I believe. You cannot find more than 20 bayonets in museums and collections. Also Saxony Artillerie S 71 bayonets are very rare. An old unit marking is still visible on the background, as allready Andy mentioned, but I believe is not L. R. the unit marking but AFL for Fussartillerie - Regiment/Landwehr Bataillon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 11 November , 2020 Share Posted 11 November , 2020 Saxon S60/71 fusilier, it is same bayonet as a Prussian one, right?? Just rare to be Saxon? I was home about a month ago for a week. Since I have an old, small post on these, I did not bother to take any new photos.I should have, for the markings. I have no idea if any of mine are Prussian, Saxon, or what.? I did not know how rare these are till I started looking for more. Still, as always. A nice rare find. Thanks for posting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 11 November , 2020 Share Posted 11 November , 2020 (edited) The proof on side of blade is prussian, so its started life as a prussian piece, and was then reworked to S60/71 and used in Saxony. Old unit is 12.R.A.F.8.?? which was overstamped with 19.L. 2.69 in which is possible AF is for both units. Edited 11 November , 2020 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinking71 Posted 19 November , 2020 Share Posted 19 November , 2020 Thought I would post my M98 a/A for the group. Marked 1899 and has a steel scabbard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 19 November , 2020 Share Posted 19 November , 2020 Which pattern steel scabbard is that, I think 5-6 pattern, variations? Any more pics of this S98??🙏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinking71 Posted 19 November , 2020 Share Posted 19 November , 2020 Not sure which pattern, didn’t know there was more than 1, but will get some more pictures today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinking71 Posted 19 November , 2020 Share Posted 19 November , 2020 Here are som more pics. Here are som more. The scabbard has a medium thick, flat, gray/black paint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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