Steve1871 Posted 29 April , 2020 Share Posted 29 April , 2020 Hello Bickus61 We need a photo or two showing whole blade and a closer pic to see if actually has been milled/ ground down on the back for removing saw teeth please. Two types seem to have been made as I have sent to you, private mail, Tge blade is either “ pipe” backed (quill) some call it, or a rare S71 sawback rehilfed for Gew98 that only 2 or 3 years later, had saw teeth ground down.that would be very rare. From your photos, it looks to be the rarer one Agsin , photos of whole blade please, Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 29 April , 2020 Share Posted 29 April , 2020 Bickus61, your blade has the right year for the I.S.71mS ( 71 sawback) so can not be the S71/98, what you and ZULU2006 have we’re most likely used in the war to have saw removed, but maybe only a very small group were made, perhaps by a single armory,so there were no trials and no official number designation such as 98/05. Or S98. Exelent find, still hope for more photos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 30 April , 2020 Author Share Posted 30 April , 2020 Dear bickus61 Congratulations!!!! An extremely rare bayonet indeed. I send mine to Roy Williams to examine it and after a lot of study and compared with the other known bayonets, he had the opinion: absolutely original and rare. You are correct for the rifles. But the year of this convertion is not 1914, is 1915, because a flashguard is added, It was observed during the war, that wooden grips of the S98/05 aA were damaged when a Karabiner 98 was fired with the bayonet fixed. On the 3rd September 1915 instructions were supplied for the fitting by unit armourers of steel flash guards and the filing down of the ears on the crossguard. So your extremely rare ersatz bayonet, it is dated after september 1915, when flashguards added on 98/05 bayonets and S 14. On your bayonet the number 400 is hitten on the blade of the M 1871 original bayonet, I believe this was made during the convertion and show the small number of this convertion (the catalogue bayonets are only 4, so an extremely rare bayonet). The model has no name until now. The bayonet has the pommel of a 98 bayonet (1898 quill back or 98/05) with blade from IS 1871 bayonet. So what about to Baptise it as an ersatz IS 71/98 bayonet??? (we all know the AS 71/98 bayonet which also catalogue as an ersatz bayonet) Regards D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickus61 Posted 30 April , 2020 Share Posted 30 April , 2020 Andy, Steve, thank you so much for your informations. My IS 71/(98) is with the standard blade, not a saw back or saw removed. The informations about my bayonet I´ve got from the German Waffensammler-Kuratorium - its the link in Andy´s post. In my collection is a 71/98 Artillerie-Seitengewehr, but the hilt is similar to IS 71/98. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickus61 Posted 30 April , 2020 Share Posted 30 April , 2020 Dear zuluwar2006 (D) thank you very much for your very interesting informations and advanced knowleges. That´s correct, the flashguards starts in 1915 and so 1914 - as the Waffen-Kuratrorium writes - is to early. (see on the pic) I got this black pearl ....IS71/98 Ersatzbayonet.... with an AS 71/98 an PFM 71 Best regards BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 30 April , 2020 Share Posted 30 April , 2020 (edited) By the S71/98 shape of handle is different as by S98 or S98/05, its more like a PFM71/98 which is described in Carter and Voronov copy book, even this is one wooden piece handle grip probably, but the pommel is not countoured like by S98/05, end part of hook of guard is larger too. Here is the war period rework piece of old S71 blade with new S98/05 handle untypical, possible 1915 as with flashguard, as the longer blade was unpractical in war, since the 1915 there were mainly used ASG/88/98 bayonets with 31cm blade, only the S98/05 has a 37,5cm blade. Edited 30 April , 2020 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 30 April , 2020 Author Share Posted 30 April , 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, AndyBsk said: By the S71/98 shape of handle is different as by S98 or S98/05, its more like a PFM71/98 which is described in Carter and Voronov copy book, even this is one wooden piece handle grip probably, but the pommel is not countoured like by S98/05, end part of hook of guard is larger too. Here is the war period rework piece of old S71 blade with new S98/05 handle untypical, possible 1915 as with flashguard, as the longer blade was unpractical in war, since the 1915 there were mainly used ASG/88/98 bayonets with 31cm blade, only the S98/05 has a 37,5cm blade. Andy very correct your observations, but PFM 71/98 is impossible to be. Unpractical I cannot say, because we know a lot of ersatz bayonets with long blades, as well and ersatz socket bayonets (Roy liked to mention them as ersoc). If Unpractical why so many war time ersatz long bladed bayonet variants exist?? We have to think the fact that during ww1, the first question from the german headquarter was to give to every soldier a rifle and a bayonet and not the practical or not. That is my humble opinion. Regards D. Edited 30 April , 2020 by zuluwar2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 30 April , 2020 Share Posted 30 April , 2020 I only have Luggs book with me in the truck, but I do know some about the I.S.71 series of bayonets, Recently I up a post on S.71 PFM This bayonet of yours, the blade, looking at base, where meets cross guard is too narrow to be a PFM ( broad blade) I believe, you say you even have one. The size and date make it a S.71. From the shallow but easily seen taper to the spine/ back of the blade, it must have been a saw back, a shallow grinding to remove the teeth, There were many variations of cuts/ grind/ milking off of teeth, but a standard S.71 has a straighter spine/back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 30 April , 2020 Share Posted 30 April , 2020 Bickus61, you also have the correct S71 scabbard and frogvto go with it. I wish I had one!!😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 30 April , 2020 Author Share Posted 30 April , 2020 An excellent photo, a soldier with A Mauser rifle Tankgewehr M1918, usually abbreviated as T-Gewehr. The Mauser 13 mm anti-tank rifle (German: Tankgewehr M1918, usually abbreviated T-Gewehr) is the world's first anti-tank rifle—the first rifle designed for the sole purpose of destroying armored targets—and the only anti-tank rifle to see service in World War I. Approximately 15,800 were produced. The soldier is carrying a nA 98/05 bayonet with iron scabbard. Since production was started before summer 1918, the photo has to be close to the end of war. Regards D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 1 May , 2020 Share Posted 1 May , 2020 My friend has one, Tankgewehr, offered me one about 20 years ago for $4000., no have the money then, now they START at 10K. U.S. hindsite can be so cruel, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 1 May , 2020 Share Posted 1 May , 2020 (edited) I didnt say its a PFM 71/98, only compared the pommel head of S71/98 presented on one of the later pictures of Bickus61 here with the form of handle and crossguard of PFM71/98 which is not contoured on handle as normal S98/05is, the first bayonet presented by him is a rework to Gew98 handle, mostly clear S98/05nA handle on it. As mentioned the long blade bayonets even replacements "ersatz" since 1915 were mostly diverted to second line units, as no usable in trenches, when we speak about western front, about east and other combat places could be certainly used on frontline. In place as many rifles Gew88 still in equipment a bayonet S71 should be remained in his configuration as still usable on Gew71/84 or Gew88, they dont needed to rework. As many period photos of train, guard and backland units present the old equipment with S71 and other older type bayonets. Rework to configuration could be done by small Divisional depot workstation. Edited 1 May , 2020 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 1 May , 2020 Share Posted 1 May , 2020 On 21/04/2020 at 22:56, zuluwar2006 said: A very very rare ersatz bayonet. Captured model 1893 Romanian bayonet with a unit marking. ... Wow, a lot of catching up to do here so I'll do that tomorrow, me old mate! Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickus61 Posted 1 May , 2020 Share Posted 1 May , 2020 Wow, what a fantastic picture of the Tankgewehr!!! An uncle of my old collector friend was one of the special selected soldiers who used this anti-tank-rifle in the 1WW. All the shooters were very big and strong men - the uncle was 1.90 m tall and weights neerly 250 pounds - because the rifle is very heavy and the recoil is like a hit from a big sledge hammer. @ Steve1871; Yes, I´m very happy to have this rare bayonet in my collection, I got it complete with the scabbard and the frog. The frog is like an 98/05 but stronger made and with an triangle hole for the frog stud - I´ve never seen it before Regards BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 2 May , 2020 Share Posted 2 May , 2020 Frog could be from PFM piece and earlier production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickus61 Posted 2 May , 2020 Share Posted 2 May , 2020 Andy B, yes could be...but I think it´s to slim for a PFM scabbard. Next week I´ll get a frog for my PFM and so I can compare both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 2 May , 2020 Author Share Posted 2 May , 2020 On 26/04/2020 at 18:57, zuluwar2006 said: Α very rare to find 98/05 alter Art (aA) bayonet with sawback removed. Unit marking is R.P.25.2.210 Which means =25th Reserve Pionier Bataillon, 2nd Company, number of weapon 210. 25 Pionier Bataillon is the 2nd Nassauisches which raised on 1.10.1909 in Mainz, Germany. Manufacturer is ERFURT. Date of construction is 1909 for Prussian State ( "W" and "09"). The impressive on this bayonet, is it kept unaltered, as aA model, althought it saw war service. The proof for war service is the fact of sawback removed, so this was donne according the regulations on 1917, during ww1. Impressive also is the scabbard. It is marked K & R, a very rare manufacturer, rarely seen on bayonets scabbards, for manufacturer firm Kortenbach & Rauh. These scabbards are quite rare. Alter Art 98/05 bayonets are extremely rare to find, with sawback erased, as the majority of them altered to nA during ww1, with a flashguard added, and the cutting of the high ears. This model didn't receive any alteration, from aA to nA, which make it very rare. Also it is in almost perfect condition. I hope you like it. Regards D. I have another one with similar unit markings on it, but the date is 1906. Regards D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 2 May , 2020 Share Posted 2 May , 2020 Another nice one, hope to get a aAmS unit marked some day! Are there any rare German bayonet’s that you do not have by now?🤪 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 2 May , 2020 Author Share Posted 2 May , 2020 Yes, there are some ersatz variations I am missing, mainly because I am seeking only for unit marked examples. Otherwise I could had almost the whole ersatz collection!!! But the last 5 years you cannot get nothing from what I am looking for, as the last years the interest is too big (and increasing) for this kind of collection. Regards D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 2 May , 2020 Share Posted 2 May , 2020 Oh the Master of Rarities!🤢I green with Envy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 2 May , 2020 Author Share Posted 2 May , 2020 57 minutes ago, Steve1871 said: Oh the Master of Rarities!🤢I green with Envy! Best regards D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickus61 Posted 2 May , 2020 Share Posted 2 May , 2020 Great 98/05 aA ....saw back removed an unit marked in this condition...very very rare!!! To find unit marked bayonets in good condition in Germany is very difficult - especially Ersatz Bajonett. I like them .... here is one of my favorites....not easy to find Best regards BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 3 May , 2020 Share Posted 3 May , 2020 Werder M69 with new cross guard for Gew88? Never seen before. Is it in any of the books? Seriously Bickus61. With your rare bayonets, and whatever else you have. It would be great if you could start a New thread/ post of your own. With the 4 bayonet’s you have shown, along with who knows what else you have. You could take all the time/ room you want to show details and markings and group shots to show differences. Many collectors love the units and markings, tracing who/ where a piece went. But again, you would need to start your thread to be able to expand it. Take Zuluwar2006 post as an exelent example. I would like to see close up of your S.71 PFM and scabbard to start ( I Hope) Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 3 May , 2020 Share Posted 3 May , 2020 (edited) Mostly Chassepot M66 converted to Gew71, on hook of scabbard is Landsturm unit, anyway the DRGM stamps speaks more for not army equipment, mostly it was later saled normally with rifles for commerzial market.i personally believe the scabbard is from other piece,that was unit marked on crossguard,and these were mixed in time,as both are Chassepots parts. Edited 6 May , 2020 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 3 May , 2020 Author Share Posted 3 May , 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, bickus61 said: Great 98/05 aA ....saw back removed an unit marked in this condition...very very rare!!! To find unit marked bayonets in good condition in Germany is very difficult - especially Ersatz Bajonett. I like them .... here is one of my favorites....not easy to find Best regards BB Steve, This is a chassepot bayonet converted by Germans during ww1. DRGM is hitted on the down side of the crossguard. The acronym D.R.G.M. with or without punctuation stands for Deutsches Reichsgebrauchsmuster, meaning that the design or function of an item was officially registered inside all of the Germany states and not only locally registered as it was the case before the introduction of centralized registration. Note that many people quote this acronym as standing for Deutsches Reich Gebrauchsmuster, which is grammatically wrong. This is an extremely rare bayonet with 4 known examples until today. Here is a photo of mine and a photo from Christian's Merry book for ersatz bayonets (last edition). This bayonet fixed to the Gewehr 88. Regards D. Edited 3 May , 2020 by zuluwar2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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