ss002d6252 Posted 18 December , 2016 Share Posted 18 December , 2016 Quote Day, William Edward. (Kilkenny). Rank-Unknown. Regiment or service; Royal Field Artillery. Service No-33999. Date of death; 17/12/1918. Age; 37. Supplementary information;-Discharged from Military Service in July-1917. Date of Death:17-December-1918. Address; Walkin Street, Kikenny. Husband of Julia Day (Nee Bourke) who died 18-July-1957, aged 76. Cemetery.-St Patrick’s Cemetery, Kilkenny. Highest position served was as a lance bombardier. £17 war gratuity paid for the period to his discharge. It appears from his war gratuity that he was a regular serving soldier. Craig Quote Fitzgerald, John J . (Dublin, Tipperary). Rank-Captain. Regiment or service; Unknown. Service No-. Date of death; 21/11/1920. Age; 22. Death-Shot in the Gresham Hotel, Dublin by the I.R.A. Supplementary information;-Son of Dr Fitzgerald, Cappawhite, CountyTipperary. Cemetery.-GlasnevinCemetery, Dublin. This man ?Sergeant John J Fitzgerald,[11] of the Royal Irish Constabulary, also known as "Captain Fitzgerald" or "Captain Fitzpatrick", whose father was from County Tipperary, was killed a kilometer away at 28 Earlsfort Terrace. He had survived a previous assassination attempt when a bullet grazed his head. This time he was shot twice in the head. The documents found in his house detailed the movements of senior IRA members. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_Gang Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 18 December , 2016 Author Share Posted 18 December , 2016 Great Craig, fat chance of me finding Fitzgerald if he was in the R.I.C. Would you believe it I know his grand nephew and never thoght to ask him if his grant uncle was in the R.I.C. I just popped off an email to him and await developments. Thank you again Craig, you are a real gem. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 18 December , 2016 Share Posted 18 December , 2016 Quote Ivers, Daniel. (Waterford). Rank-Private. Regiment or service; Royal Irish Rifles. Unit; Unknown. Service No-Unknown. Date of death; Dec-15. Born, Waterford. Death-Died of wounds possibly after discharge. Supplementary information;-Munster Express. Mid-December, 1915. Death. A young Lismore soldier in the person of Private Daniel Ivers passed away to his reward at the infirmary on Friday last, and the remains were interred at AffaneCemetery on Sunday. “Danny” Ivers, who was only about 30 years of age on mobilisation in 1914 went to his regiment, the R.I.Rifles, and came home to Lismore from a military hospital only a week before his death. It is also understood that his service time had ceased prior to his return. His death was not the best for months as the result of internal injuries received. His friends proved true to the very last and had him laid to rest in the burial ground of his family. Cemetery.-AffaneCemetery, CountyWaterford. He died 17 Dec 1915 - https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/05235/4450028.pdf Died of alcoholism and had been resident in the workhouse. He is noted as an 'ex-soldier'. I can't see him in the effects records so possibly enlisted under an alias as he should have been entitled to a war gratuity based on the info in the article. 1911 census for him - http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Waterford/Lismore/Chapel_Street/668140/ Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 18 December , 2016 Author Share Posted 18 December , 2016 Craig mainly I dont know what service they served with or their rank. Anything you can add would be very much appreciated. Kind regards. Tom, McNally, Clare. (Cork, Galway). Rank-Unknown. Regiment or service; Voluntary Aid Detachment. Service No-. Date of death; 10/10/1918. Born, Cork. Death-Drowned. Cemetery.-Prospect Hill, Galway. Day, William Edward. (Kilkenny). Rank-Unknown. Regiment or service; Royal Field Artillery. Service No-33999. Date of death; 17/12/1918. Age; 37. Supplementary information;-Discharged from Military Service in July-1917. Date of Death:17-December-1918. Address; Walkin Street, Kikenny. Husband of Julia Day (Nee Bourke) who died 18-July-1957, aged 76. Cemetery.-St Patrick’s Cemetery, Kilkenny. Christopher, Augustine. (Cork, Waterford). Rank-Captain. Regiment or service; Unknown. Unit; Schooner “Morning Star”. Service No-. Date of death; 10/10/1915. Age; 38. Born, Cork (1911 Census). Supplementary information;-The only information I have on this ships Captain is contained in the attached to CASEY, JAMES and the newspaper article below. He is not in any of the War Dead databases. Munster Express. October, 1915. The Wreck of the Morning Star at Dunbrattin. The body of the captain, who was lost in the recent wreck of the Morning Star at Dunbrattin, on the Waterford coast, has been recovered. It was found on Thursday morning, 21st inst. , that is eleven days after the wreck. The relatives of the deceased, Captain Christopher, not finding the remains for so many days, had Mass celebreated on the sea shore on Wednesday last, and the following morning, the body of the respected captain was found quite close to the scene of the shipwreck.The friends took tender care of the remains, and the Coroner wired that he did not deem it necessary to hold an inquest. The remains were at once taken to Dungarvan, where they reached ar 12 o’clock on Thursday night. A large number of people went out the road to meet the funeral, and the sad procession, in the midnight impressed everyone very deeply. The remains were taken to the Abbeyside parish church for the night, and on Friday morning, after Requiem Mass, the remains were interred in the family burial ground in the old churchyard at Abbeyside. (For more information see Munster Express, April, 1916). Cemetery.-AbbeysideCemetery, Dungarvan, CountyWaterford. Davoren, Delia. (Clare). Rank-Nursing Sister. Regiment or service; Unknown. Service No-. Date of death; 10/10/1918. Age; 37. Supplementary information;-Residence; Claureen House, South of the Lahinch Road, Ennis. Drowned when the Packet Steamship R. M. S. Leinster was torpedoed and sunk by German Submarine UB-123 on 10th of October-1918. Delia was, or had been, a member of the Territorial Force Nursing Service, and has a file at The National Archives (WO399/10811) in the name Delia Davoreen. Supplementary information; Both the Davoren sisters nursed in England for ten years. Delia spent three months as part of the Territorial Force Nursing Service at the 3rd General Southern Hospital, Oxford from 01-August-1914 to 01-December-1914. Discharge due to impending marriage was requested and granted. It has been pointed out by the Nursing Archivist who supplied Delias documents that using the excuse ‘marriage’ on an application for discharge would make that process easier and the applicant may not actually intend to marry. I have not found anything in her records or newspaper articles that’s portrays her as a married woman. As Nurse Davoren did not complete six months service she as required to repay £4 for her uniforms, and she unsuccessfully applied for this not to be deducted. Grave or Memorial Reference; 522. Cemetery.-DrumcliffeCemetery, CountyClare. O'Grady, Mary. (Clare). Rank-Nurse. Regiment or service; UnknownHospital. Service No-. Date of death; 10/10/1918. Supplementary information;-Drowned when the Packet Steamship R. M. S. Leinster was torpedoed and sunk by German Submarine UB-123 on 10th of October-1918. Mary’s sister Margaret was also on the Leinster and was rescued. Both were returning from holidays to nursing duties. Margaret is not commemorated in any of the war dead databases. Daughters of Francis O’Grady, Manse, Quin, Co. Clare. They are also listed as from Newmarket-on-Fergus. Cemetery.-Buried at Quin Abbey. Davoren, Nora/Norah/Honora. (Clare). Rank-Nursing Sister. Regiment or service; Unknown. Service No-. Date of death; 10/10/1918. Supplementary information;-Claureen House, South of the Lahinch Road, Ennis. Date of birth; 30-March-1876. Drowned when the Packet Steamship R. M. S. Leinster was torpedoed and sunk by German Submarine UB-123 on 10th of October-1918. Parents, Michael (aged 70 in 1901 census) and Margaret (aged 66 in 1901 census) Daveron. Unmarried Norah had a daughter and named her Elizabeth but this was later changed to Norah (born in September-1912 in Bristol). Both Nora and Delia had nursed in England for ten years. Norah and Delia Davoren, were meant to return to Nottingham, England on Tuesday, October 8 but missed the train, the consequence of which was to be disastrous. The following day they caught the midday train from Ennis en route for Kingstown, where they boarded the doomed ship. Their bodies were recovered and later identified by their brother. Many thanks to Philip Lecane (Author of 'Torpedoed! The R. M. S. Leinster Disaster') for the extra information on all the R. M. S. Leinster casualties. He also gives the Davoren sisters ages as 37 and 35. Grave or Memorial Reference; 523. Cemetery.-DrumcliffeCemetery, CountyClare. Fitzgerald, John J . (Dublin, Tipperary). Rank-Captain. Regiment or service; Unknown. Service No-. Date of death; 21/11/1920. Age; 22. Death-Shot in the Gresham Hotel, Dublin by the I.R.A. Supplementary information;-Son of Dr Fitzgerald, Cappawhite, CountyTipperary. Cemetery.-GlasnevinCemetery, Dublin. Ivers, Daniel. (Waterford). Rank-Private. Regiment or service; Royal Irish Rifles. Unit; Unknown. Service No-Unknown. Date of death; Dec-15. Born, Waterford. Death-Died of wounds possibly after discharge. Supplementary information;-Munster Express. Mid-December, 1915. Death. A young Lismore soldier in the person of Private Daniel Ivers passed away to his reward at the infirmary on Friday last, and the remains were interred at AffaneCemetery on Sunday. “Danny” Ivers, who was only about 30 years of age on mobilisation in 1914 went to his regiment, the R.I.Rifles, and came home to Lismore from a military hospital only a week before his death. It is also understood that his service time had ceased prior to his return. His death was not the best for months as the result of internal injuries received. His friends proved true to the very last and had him laid to rest in the burial ground of his family. Cemetery.-AffaneCemetery, CountyWaterford. With nyour help I found Ivers, 6916, RIRif, discharged 09/12/1915 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 18 December , 2016 Share Posted 18 December , 2016 Corisande's page on Fitzgerald is here - http://www.cairogang.com/murdered-men/fitzgerald.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 18 December , 2016 Share Posted 18 December , 2016 wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_Gang 28 Earlsfort Terrace[edit] Sergeant John J Fitzgerald,[11] of the Royal Irish Constabulary, also known as "Captain Fitzgerald" or "Captain Fitzpatrick", whose father was from County Tipperary, was killed a kilometer away at 28 Earlsfort Terrace. He had survived a previous assassination attempt when a bullet grazed his head. This time he was shot twice in the head. The documents found in his house detailed the movements of senior IRA members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 18 December , 2016 Author Share Posted 18 December , 2016 (edited) OK so that's that cleared up, it was worth a shot,thanks Craig and Simon. Edited 18 December , 2016 by museumtom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 18 December , 2016 Share Posted 18 December , 2016 (edited) Schooner Morning Star Captain J A Christopher Not a casualty of war as the Schooner's sinking was not due to enemy action Photo Source Edited 18 December , 2016 by RaySearching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 18 December , 2016 Share Posted 18 December , 2016 11 minutes ago, IPT said: Corisande's page on Fitzgerald is here - http://www.cairogang.com/murdered-men/fitzgerald.html I knew someone had done work on them but couldn't remember who. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 18 December , 2016 Author Share Posted 18 December , 2016 Thanks for all the info Ray,and thanks also for the image of the Morning Star, it the first image I have seen of it. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 18 December , 2016 Share Posted 18 December , 2016 Clare Eleanor McNally VAD Perished when the R.M.S Leinster was sunk by a German Sub on Oct 10th 1918 Photo and details HERE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 18 December , 2016 Share Posted 18 December , 2016 Some information on the RMS Leinster Nurses herehttp://www.irishidentity.com/stories/rms.htm Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 18 December , 2016 Author Share Posted 18 December , 2016 Excellent finds Craig, thank you very much indeed. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 19 December , 2016 Share Posted 19 December , 2016 Name: Wm Day Discharge Unit: 1c Res Bde R.F.A. Regiment: Royal Artillery (Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery) Regimental Number: 33999 Rank: a/Bdr Badge Number: 191368 Piece: 2967 List Number: RA 0601-0900 Record Group: WO Record Class: 329 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 19 December , 2016 Author Share Posted 19 December , 2016 Excellent, thank you Simon. Every little bit of information is very much appreciated. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 20 December , 2016 Share Posted 20 December , 2016 Back to CUTLE Soundex converter http://resources.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/soundexconverter gives possibles as CADDELL | CADLE | CADWELL | CATLEY | CATLOW | CATTLEY | CAUDILL | CAUDLE | CHADWELL | CHETTLE | COTTLE | CUTILLO | CUTTLE | and a 'Soundex Number' of C340.... Double barrelled/middle name with element missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 20 December , 2016 Share Posted 20 December , 2016 Quote Cutle, Unknown. (Westmeath). Rank- Private. Date of death; . Born, . Residence, . Death- . Supplementary information;- The only reference to this soldier is in the Westmeath Examiner, November-1915. Newspapers/Books etc; Westmeath Examiner, November-1915. The Roll of Honour. We regret to announce the death in action of Private Cutle, a native of the Downs, Mullingar. The deceased belonged to a highly respected family, and deep sympathy is felt at his demise. . . . . Notes- . Grave or Memorial Reference; . Cemetery. - Unknown. Just using Mullingar and the years 1914 and 15 shows 80 entries on SDGW (FMP version). Nothing that I could see that's obvious an analogue for Cutle, so far. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 20 December , 2016 Author Share Posted 20 December , 2016 He is a tricky one to be sure. Its possible he may not be found. Kind regards and thanks lads. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 20 December , 2016 Share Posted 20 December , 2016 3 minutes ago, museumtom said: He is a tricky one to be sure. Its possible he may not be found. Kind regards and thanks lads. Tom. What Townland /DED does The Downs come under ? Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 20 December , 2016 Share Posted 20 December , 2016 I keep coming up with Petitswood in relation to the Downs too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 20 December , 2016 Author Share Posted 20 December , 2016 The Downs is in the parish of Taghmon. Petitswood is in the parish of Mullingar. Petitswood is just north of The Downs. He is a tricky one to be sure. Its possible he may not be found. If you search googlemaps for "The Downs", Westmeath you will see bothl Kind regards and thanks lads. Tom. The Downs is listed here as just Downs. http://www.thecore.com/seanruad/town_new2.php?MODE=search&TOWNLAND=&SORTBY=townland&METHOD=any&COUNTY=Westmeath&BARONY=&METHOD1=any&PARISH=&METHOD2=any&PLU=&METHOD3=any&PROVINCE= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 20 December , 2016 Author Share Posted 20 December , 2016 A 'Down' or Dún, is an old Irish name for a fort, usually built of stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 20 December , 2016 Share Posted 20 December , 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, museumtom said: The Downs is in the parish of Taghmon. Petitswood is in the parish of Mullingar. Petitswood is just north of The Downs. He is a tricky one to be sure. Its possible he may not be found. If you search googlemaps for "The Downs", Westmeath you will see bothl Kind regards and thanks lads. Tom. The Downs is listed here as just Downs. http://www.thecore.com/seanruad/town_new2.php?MODE=search&TOWNLAND=&SORTBY=townland&METHOD=any&COUNTY=Westmeath&BARONY=&METHOD1=any&PARISH=&METHOD2=any&PLU=&METHOD3=any&PROVINCE= So if there was a bit looseness it could easily fall under either. It would easier in times like this if the 1881/1891 census hadn't been destroyed (what were they thinking !!!!) Craig Edited 20 December , 2016 by ss002d6252 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 20 December , 2016 Author Share Posted 20 December , 2016 I totally agree with you Craig. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 20 December , 2016 Share Posted 20 December , 2016 It might depend how notable his family were : isn't there some kind of land evaluation in the 1880s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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