Knotty Posted 31 October , 2020 Share Posted 31 October , 2020 1 hour ago, neverforget said: When I say he served under both sides, I mean that literally. Under as in “Unter”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 31 October , 2020 Share Posted 31 October , 2020 1 minute ago, Knotty said: Under as in “Unter”? Yes. "Overlooked", or if you like, unseen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 31 October , 2020 Share Posted 31 October , 2020 Fed up with the broadcast now so back to WIT, a submariner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 31 October , 2020 Share Posted 31 October , 2020 Just now, Knotty said: Fed up with the broadcast now so back to WIT, a submariner? Yes indeed, and as I hinted at, commander of a one of a kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 31 October , 2020 Share Posted 31 October , 2020 That means going back nearly a couple of years to check on the last time we had u-boat commanders😂😂 Give me strength, got to balance WIT with Strictly now (SWMBO favourite). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 31 October , 2020 Share Posted 31 October , 2020 5 minutes ago, Knotty said: That means going back nearly a couple of years to check on the last time we had u-boat commanders😂😂 Give me strength, got to balance WIT with Strictly now (SWMBO favourite). No need to go back any further the 13th post on the previous page for a very strong hint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 31 October , 2020 Share Posted 31 October , 2020 In 1915 he thought he had sunk HMS Tiger, but in fact it was a British ocean liner that had been disguised as a battle cruiser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 31 October , 2020 Share Posted 31 October , 2020 (edited) Little worried about this- I think our man (if it is he) had given up a particular command on 15 May 1915 Edited 31 October , 2020 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 31 October , 2020 Share Posted 31 October , 2020 Little worried about this- I think our man (if it is he) had given up a particular command on 15 May 1916 Well just remember, this has all been your fault! You have him by the way.😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 31 October , 2020 Share Posted 31 October , 2020 As will be seen, Bulgaria only had one WW1 submarine, and because I couldn't find a picture of either of the two Bulgarians who captained it I had to plump for the Jerry who had commanded it before it was handed over to the Bulgarians; one Ernst von Voigt. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SM_UB-8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 31 October , 2020 Share Posted 31 October , 2020 The same source for our man lists him at another point as being in command at the right date. But others can follow- Perhaps an obscure clue or two? 1) This might turn into a convolution of a Lorentzian and. Gaussian profile (No,I don't know either) 2) Or shall we have to send for a bailiff? NF-Well researched-I couldn't find a picture of the chap-where did you find him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 31 October , 2020 Share Posted 31 October , 2020 Too late-You have blown his cover! By the way- convolution of a Lorentzian and. Gaussian profile =Voigt Profile Voigt- an old German name for a bailiff. Phew-I think that exhausts our stock of Bulgarian submarine commanders. I wonder if the Idrisid of Asir (see a previous WIT) had any submarines................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 31 October , 2020 Share Posted 31 October , 2020 I found his picture by googling images for him and this came up: However, when clicking on the link underneath the picture it led to a site with no picture? https://uboat.net/wwi/men/commanders/378.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 31 October , 2020 Share Posted 31 October , 2020 Well researched- Time for a bit of R and R? And well away from the Balkans! This chap: I suppose you want a clue as well? Et voila! (Definitely NOT the Grenadier Guards) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 1 November , 2020 Share Posted 1 November , 2020 Sorry to rain on your parade NF, but if you follow this link you will get the picture you gave us initially https://uboat.net/wwi/men/commanders/389.html unfortunately not your man Voight but Erwin Wassner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 1 November , 2020 Share Posted 1 November , 2020 9 hours ago, Knotty said: Sorry to rain on your parade NF, but if you follow this link you will get the picture you gave us initially https://uboat.net/wwi/men/commanders/389.html unfortunately not your man Voight but Erwin Wassner Oh dear; mea culpa. I took the description on the link that I originally found as gospel unfortunately. Interestingly, have just committed the unforgivable and done an image search on my picture, and that comes up with Luth Wolfgang 🤪 I'm sure that you're perfectly correct in what you say John, but I can't check, as your link is giving me this: Oh well, the clues did their job despite the picture being wrong I suppose. I'll try to be more careful next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 1 November , 2020 Share Posted 1 November , 2020 Well researched- Time for a bit of R and R? And well away from the Balkans! This chap: I suppose you want a clue as well? Et voila! (Definitely NOT the Grenadier Guards) Can't find a private Shaka, or Islandwhana. I suppose Rorke might be a possibility. Is it safe to assume he's South African then? That would narrow it down slightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 1 November , 2020 Share Posted 1 November , 2020 (edited) No- It is not safe to assume he is from the Dominion of South Africa. The Non-Grenadier Guards are not Zulus (Come on-pretty obvious-where is Michael Caine?). But you are on the right continent. You want another clue? He performed well with Bristols (Be careful how you interpret that one ) Oh- why not? lets chuck in another clue to make it ridiculously simple: Edited 1 November , 2020 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 1 November , 2020 Share Posted 1 November , 2020 Is this him Leonard Allan Payne MC? of the RFC, who was born in Swaziland, and became an fighter ace flying in the Bristol F2 two-seater fighter at the later end of the war. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_A._Payne. No picture so can’t verify if that is him. The ruby red grapefruit is the name given to a cocktail of perfumery essences described by a former church minister in his book on Perfumes his name again, Leonard Payne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 1 November , 2020 Share Posted 1 November , 2020 (edited) Ah. Well done John. I was thrown off the scent by being told he wasn't a South African. Edited 1 November , 2020 by neverforget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 1 November , 2020 Share Posted 1 November , 2020 Yippee- Yes, Knotty, thats him- Pic. came from Findagrave.com, with thanks. Born in Eswatini (Swaziland to you and me-and him)- an "ace" with 11 victories, with 48 Squadron-all in Bristol fighters, hence the clue. Killed in an accident in February 1919. The picture was of Swazi tribsesmen and the Swazi king but we are so used to "Zulu" (Not likely to be on this Christmas, given the events of this year) that we assume all native Africans are Zulu. NF- I thought you would pick up on the fact that I was careful to say "Not Dominion of South Africa" and realise it was southern Africa and one of the other bits and pieces we used to squat down that way. Pay attention to detail!! Knotty- You overdid the research with the other "Leonard Payne"- an outstanding coincidence and piece of tunneling by you. Alas, it was more simple than that - Tesco Ruby Red Grapefruit (Which I happen to like a lot) is grown in Swaziland (It's still Swaziland on their website) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 1 November , 2020 Share Posted 1 November , 2020 Those grapefruit segments looked very nice. Anyway, who’s this ? ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 1 November , 2020 Share Posted 1 November , 2020 You overdid the research with the other "Leonard Payne"- an outstanding coincidence and piece of tunneling by you. Alas, it was more simple than that - Tesco Ruby Red Grapefruit (Which I happen to like a lot) is grown in Swaziland (It's still Swaziland on their website) In the words of Blackadder.....B*gg*r Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 1 November , 2020 Share Posted 1 November , 2020 Zulu" (Not likely to be on this Christmas Unless you have the DVD 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 1 November , 2020 Share Posted 1 November , 2020 4 minutes ago, Knotty said: In the words of Blackadder.....B*gg*r I believe it was actually Captain Kevin Darling, upon reading his last diary entry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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