ss002d6252 Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 (edited) I think we've got far more to link than with a lot of men, even allowing for the numerous different spellings. The effects record posted in #947 is for Guerrin (served as Grenny). The name given on the Nok on the MIC and in the effects are for George Guerrini (him and sisters on the effects). So we know that 906 Grebby/Grenby/Greeny/Guerrin is Frederick Guerrini. The date of death of Frederick (with a surname that is Grebby/Grenby or very similar - we know Guerrini served as Grebby/Grenby/Greeny/Guerrin) on the death cert is for the 5th Connaughts on 27 May 1917. We also know that 906 Guerrini served with 5th Connaughts from the MIC and was discharged 20 July 16 and, from the effects, died on 27 May 1917. We also know that the Guerrini family were living in Dublin, not too far away from the hospital in Old Kilmainham where Grebby/Grenby died on 27 May 17 and not far away from the address given on the death certificate. Of course, the Mod and CWGC have the final say on what they will accept as evidence. Craig Edited 26 April , 2019 by ss002d6252 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 26 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 26 April , 2019 (edited) Thank you Charlie, and Craig, it would be a hard sell. Anyway just keeping you up to speed with progress of things. In From The Cold Project has a 99.99% acceptance rate with the M.O.D. for inclusion in the C.W.G.C. It is hard to get accepted by I.F.C.P. unless you have the relevant documentation to back it up. Having said all that, in the heel of the hunt, in the clear light of dawn, after all the eggs are hatched, at the end of the day, by all your efforts team, we have up to this very moment (an we are not finished yet by a long long chalk).........42 accepted! Does that not bring a smile to you on this blustery day?. I always said it, and I will say it again, it is not possible without your help, lateral thinking, and generosity of spirit, thank you most sincerely. Kind regards. Tom. Edited 26 April , 2019 by museumtom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 18 minutes ago, museumtom said: Thank you Charlie, and Craig, it would be a hard sell. Anyway just keeping you up to speed with progress of things. In From The Cold Project has a 99.99% acceptance rate with the M.O.D. for inclusion in the C.W.G.C. It is hard to get accepted by I.F.C.P. unless you have the relevant documentation to back it up. Having said all that, in the heel of the hunt, in the clear light of dawn, after all the eggs are hatched, at the end of the day, by all your efforts team, we have up to this very moment (an we are not finished yet by a long long chalk).........42 accepted! Does that not bring a smile to you on this blustery day?. I always said it, and I will say it again, it is not possible without your help, lateral thinking, and generosity of spirit, thank you most sincerely. Kind regards. Tom. Excellent, that'll keep them busy for a while. Wonder if we can break the 1/2 century. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 18 minutes ago, museumtom said: 42 accepted! Does that not bring a smile to you on this blustery day?. Excellent Tom. PS. And to my mind, Grenny is without doubt Guerrini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 I would tend to agree with that summation above. Well done to all for piecing it together. Now just that final page.... George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 26 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 26 April , 2019 Thanks to all for their effort. And if you can find a record of Grenny, Guerrini., or even Geery on FMP I will be the first to download it. It is a group effort and passing the 50 marks will not be a problem as we are responsible for adding 30 of the 43 in the last four weeks. Some I can manage without bothering ye but the hard ones I leave to the experts. For every one added to IFCP there are five that dont qualify but will be remembered with the other Irishmen as the criteria for inclusiion is a little less stringent. At the moment we are 40% through 1917, and we have 1918, 1919 1920 and 1921 yet to go through. I relish the journey. Thanks again for all the support! Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 Just now, museumtom said: Thanks to all for their effort. And if you can find a record of Grenny, Guerrini., or even Geery on FMP I will be the first to download it. It is a group effort and passing the 50 marks will not be a problem as we are responsible for adding 30 of the 43 in the last four weeks. Some I can manage without bothering ye but the hard ones I leave to the experts. For every one added to IFCP there are five that dont qualify but will be remembered with the other Irishmen as the criteria for inclusiion is a little less stringent. At the moment we are 40% through 1917, and we have 1918, 1919 1920 and 1921 yet to go through. I relish the journey. Thanks again for all the support! Kind regards. Tom. I'm sure we'll be here to the end to help Tom. Keep posting. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 2 hours ago, Ipcress said: The handwriting doesn’t resemble Grenny No, that's agreed 2 hours ago, Ipcress said: the G in the surname differs from the G in King George. I disagree partly, as there are 3 capital Gs, written in two forms. In the date column (Col 2), the Geo is written in cursive, and in this style, there is a loop above, and below the line. In the next (Name) column, the surname again begins with a cursive G, again there is a loop above and below the line. These two examples I'd say are very similar. In Column 9 (Place of Death), the G is slightly diffferent, in that the loop above the line isn't fully formed, I suspect because the writer thought about joining the two words 'King' and 'Geo' together. All that's missing is the part from the end of the lower case 'g' at the end of 'King' to the top of the letter 'G'. Otherwise they are the same, and they are the capital letter 'G'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 Agreed Dai-no doubt a capital G-what the rest says though and with an alias to hide behind even more fascinating. George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipcress Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 Can i also add the Guerrini spoken in an Irish accent does sound like Grenny I found a Frederick Greany but the military side doesn't correlate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 26 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 26 April , 2019 Its a mystery, wrapped up in an enigma wrapped up in a whodunnit, wrapped up in..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipcress Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 a cursive G ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 26 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 26 April , 2019 Yep, that would do it...Its a mystery, wrapped up in an enigma wrapped up in a whodunnit, wrapped up in.....a cursive G! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 9 minutes ago, Ipcress said: a cursive G ? Cursive. Yes. Old fashioned curly looping handwritting, copperplate, Gothic etc. As compared to block capitals, or any other font style: 4 minutes ago, museumtom said: Yep, that would do it...Its a mystery, wrapped up in an enigma wrapped up in a whodunnit, wrapped up in.....a cursive G! I can hear you being Cursive from here Tom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 26 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 26 April , 2019 Cursive is the word Dai! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipcress Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 I know what one is, DByS, I was just following on the “ wrapped up “ vibe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 2 hours ago, Ipcress said: Can i also add the Guerrini spoken in an Irish accent does sound like Grenny to be sure ! Given that the 1911 census says Frederick can read and write then it must have been a deliberate decision of his to enlist as Grenny. I note that his brother had been done for Malicious Damage but that's hardly enough to make Frederick want to change his name. And its not as if his true name was an 'enemy' name ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 9 minutes ago, Ipcress said: I know what one is, DByS, I was just following on the “ wrapped up “ vibe Ah. I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 26 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 26 April , 2019 This lad died from TB in 1917 but the sheet is missing from his records in FMP can you help please? Thomas Last name Lally Age 18 Birth year 1869 Birth county Dublin Service number 2760 Regiment Connaught Rangers Year 1887 Residence town Stoke On Trent Series WO 364 Series description Wo 364 - First World War Pension Claims Archive The National Archives Record set British Army Service Records Category Military, armed forces & conflict Subcategory First World War Collections from Great Britain, UK None If the relevant medical sheet is available he might qualify. Thanking you all very much in advance. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 26 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 26 April , 2019 (edited) His number for ww1 service should be 71040. R.A.M.C. Served in the arry from 1890. Did after discharge. Discharged at Alderrshot, on 23/06/1916, no longer physically fit for war service. Edited 26 April , 2019 by museumtom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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museumtom Posted 26 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 26 April , 2019 Close but not the same guy, sorry Ipcress. The lad I am working on died in 1917. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 26 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 26 April , 2019 Bingo!! I got him. https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=S2/GBM/PIN82/112/0008&parentid=GBM/PIN82/005756 Thanks anyway guys!! Kindest regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipcress Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 Sorry,Tom. I’m multitasking and checked nothing but the name and regiment in the opening few lines At least you got him ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 26 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 26 April , 2019 Thanks for trying Ipcress! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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