George Rayner Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 Attestation form says previously */*5859 2nd Connaught Rangers George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 26 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 26 April , 2019 Yes Indeed Bob, that is him. Sorry George I do not have ancestry, does it have the vital sheet please? Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 Unfortunately not Tom. Another one of those where page 3/4 are missing. George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 26 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 26 April , 2019 It was worth a shot, thanks for trying George! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 On the register of effects there is a note which says see also...…………. Any thoughts on that reference? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 His mother Ellen Hynes, not Goff as Ancestry has it, seems to have spent a lot of time in court. If ID correct. But nothing to help us George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 7 minutes ago, George Rayner said: On the register of effects there is a note which says see also...…………. Any thoughts on that reference? George Not at home to look but it normally means there's been a duplicate entry created in error. There may or may not be pertinent info. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 26 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 26 April , 2019 Thank you George and Craig, the effects register, interesting as it is does not have the critical sheet, much as I would like to. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 (edited) No magic page in his Ancestry Pension Records sadly. Edited 26 April , 2019 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 26 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 26 April , 2019 It was worth a try Dai, thank you most sincerely for trying! Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 It is very frustrating. So, we know he died of TB and was discharged unfit. We also can be pretty certain that the dependants pension was paid because he had a pension & that was paid because he was discharged with something attributable to/aggravated by service. We also know that a TB discharge was deemed to be aggravated/caused by unless there was absolute proof otherwise. Just so frustrating with the single missing link - the dependants ledger unfortunately does not show the discharge reason in the case, as some do. It would have . Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipcress Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 That ” Grenny “ entry has fascinated me. The Dublin City database don’t offer Grenny as a Surname option and I’m also wary of that spelling Junkins - many of the text reading software these websites use confuse certain spellings - you’ll notice the newspaper articles online will show an image of a certain page and the text beneath will have a punctuation mark where there should be a vowel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 F Grenny Wounded Private 996 Connaught Rangers, 5th Battalion Daily List Date 20th October 1915 So we have an MIC and a CasList with F Grenny of 5th Connaughts ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 Is it 996 or 906? Cant find a 996 George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, George Rayner said: Is it 996 or 906? FMP Newspapers says 906, Genealogist transcript says 996. Take your pick ! But it is Med Exp Force and 5th Bn . Charlie This is FMP extract But note that next line sb H ( Henry) not F and his number appears in various guises Edited 26 April , 2019 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 The joys of transcribing! George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 Tom On the Grenny/Greery document what is in the last column which we can only see part of please? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 26 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 26 April , 2019 Here you are George! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, George Rayner said: Tom On the Grenny/Greery document what is in the last column which we can only see part of please? George What, on the Irish Death Certificate? I think it's the column for the date on which the death was registered. Edit. Thanks Tom. Edited 26 April , 2019 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 Grenny Soldiers Effects https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/60506/42511_6117462_0238-00149?pid=564938&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D60506%26h%3D564938%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DXkI1%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=XkI1&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true Hasn't this already been posted ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, charlie962 said: Grenny Soldiers Effects https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/60506/42511_6117462_0238-00149?pid=564938&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D60506%26h%3D564938%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DXkI1%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=XkI1&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true Hasn't this already been posted ? Post #925 I can't view the Ancestry links but I can't seem to find him on Fold3 - is he in under an odd transcription ? Craig Edited 26 April , 2019 by ss002d6252 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 (edited) Ah, found him in Fold3 effects. I'm still confident he is the Frederick Guerrini I mentioned a few pages back when you compare the family members listed on the effects under the correct surname with the census. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Usher_s_Quay/Kilmainham__Old/57634/ Craig Edited 26 April , 2019 by ss002d6252 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipcress Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 31 minutes ago, charlie962 said: F Grenny Wounded Private 996 Connaught Rangers, 5th Battalion Daily List Date 20th October 1915 So we have an MIC and a CasList with F Grenny of 5th Connaughts ! I’m not really disputing the military entries but I’ve seen incorrect entries before, partly due to a name either misheard or misspelled, and was just noting that variations of these spellings in Internet searches often prove useful due to various reasons. The handwriting doesn’t resemble Grenny and the G in the surname differs from the G in King George. However, Grenny fits with the Connaught Rangers data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 26 April , 2019 Author Share Posted 26 April , 2019 Thank you everyone, I don't have access to Ancestry sadly. Now the thing is, in the heel of the hunt, could we establish with certainty his name, unit, service number, and next of kin? Enough to find his record on FMP and perhaps (if he is not already in CWGC under some odd spelling) have his added to IFCP? The amount of digging and lateral thinking by the pals here is staggering, well done to everyone, I appreciate all your time, goodwill and effort. Kindest regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 26 April , 2019 Share Posted 26 April , 2019 A public tree on Ancestry for the Traynor (as in Madelline) family has Frederick Alphonse Guerrini born 1882 and the the Irish Census Craig posted shows him as still single in 1911, born Dublin, trade plumber. I would agree that he is very probably our man, wounded Gallipôli, discharged no longer fit, died after discharge but we have not yet proved the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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