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Attestation form says 

previously */*5859 2nd Connaught Rangers

 

George

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Yes Indeed Bob, that is him. Sorry George I do not have ancestry, does it have the vital sheet please?

Kind regards.

 Tom.

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Unfortunately not Tom. Another one of those where page 3/4 are missing.

 

George

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It was worth a shot, thanks for trying George!

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On the register of effects there is a note which says

see also...………….

 

Any thoughts on that reference?

 

George

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His mother Ellen Hynes, not Goff as Ancestry has it, seems to have spent a lot of time in court. If ID correct. But nothing to help us

 

George

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7 minutes ago, George Rayner said:

On the register of effects there is a note which says

see also...………….

 

Any thoughts on that reference?

 

George

 Not at home to look but it normally means there's been a duplicate entry created in error. There may or may not be pertinent info.

 

Craig

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Thank you George and Craig, the effects register, interesting as it is does not have the critical sheet, much as I would like to.

 Kind regards.

 Tom.

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It was worth a try Dai, thank you most sincerely for trying!

Kind regards.

 Tom.

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It is very frustrating.
 

So, we know he died of TB and was discharged unfit. We also can be pretty certain that the dependants pension was paid because he had a pension & that was paid because he was discharged with something attributable to/aggravated by service. We also know that a TB discharge was deemed to be aggravated/caused by unless there was absolute proof otherwise.


Just so frustrating with the single missing link - the dependants ledger unfortunately does not show the discharge reason in the case, as some do. It would have .


Craig

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That ” Grenny “ entry has fascinated me. 

 

The Dublin City database don’t offer Grenny as a Surname option and I’m also wary of that spelling Junkins - many of the text reading software these websites use confuse certain spellings - you’ll notice the newspaper articles online will show an image of a certain page and the text beneath will have a punctuation mark where there should be a vowel.

 

 

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F Grenny Wounded Private  996 Connaught Rangers, 5th Battalion

Daily List Date  20th October 1915

 

So we have an MIC and a CasList with F Grenny of 5th Connaughts !

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Is it 996 or 906? Cant find a 996

 

George

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6 minutes ago, George Rayner said:

Is it 996 or 906?

FMP Newspapers says 906, Genealogist transcript says 996. Take your pick !

 

But it is Med Exp Force and 5th Bn .

 

Charlie

This is FMP extract

603943005_GWFGrennyFCasList1915.JPG.daedfa1f62feca8f18293697129abccc.JPGBut note that next line sb H ( Henry) not F and his number appears in various guises

 

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The joys of transcribing!

 

George

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Tom

On the Grenny/Greery document what is in the last column which we can only see part of please?

 

George

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3 minutes ago, George Rayner said:

Tom

On the Grenny/Greery document what is in the last column which we can only see part of please?

 

George

What, on the Irish Death Certificate?

I think it's the column for the date on which the death was registered.

 

Edit. Thanks Tom.

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5 minutes ago, charlie962 said:

Post #925

I can't view the Ancestry links but I can't seem to find him on Fold3 - is he in under an odd transcription ?


Craig

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Ah, found him in Fold3 effects.

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I'm still confident he is the Frederick Guerrini I mentioned a few pages back when you compare the family members listed on the effects under the correct surname with the census.

 

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Usher_s_Quay/Kilmainham__Old/57634/

image.png.bffa98233d10dbce5163033b6d3c019d.png

 

 

Craig

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31 minutes ago, charlie962 said:

F Grenny Wounded Private  996 Connaught Rangers, 5th Battalion

Daily List Date  20th October 1915

 

So we have an MIC and a CasList with F Grenny of 5th Connaughts !

 I’m not really disputing the military entries but I’ve seen incorrect entries before, partly due to a name either misheard or misspelled, and was just noting that variations of these spellings in Internet searches often prove useful due to various reasons.

 

The handwriting doesn’t resemble Grenny and the G in the surname differs from the G in King George.

 

However, Grenny fits with the Connaught Rangers data.

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Thank you everyone, I don't have access to Ancestry sadly. Now the thing is, in the heel of the hunt, could we establish with certainty his name, unit, service number, and next of kin? Enough to find his record on FMP and perhaps (if he is not already in CWGC under some odd spelling) have his added to IFCP?

 The amount of digging and lateral thinking by the pals here is staggering, well done to everyone, I appreciate all your time, goodwill and effort.

 Kindest regards.

 Tom.

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A public tree on Ancestry for the Traynor (as in Madelline) family has Frederick Alphonse Guerrini born 1882 and the the Irish Census Craig posted shows him as still single in 1911, born Dublin, trade plumber.

 

I would agree that he is very probably our man, wounded Gallipôli, discharged no longer fit, died after discharge but we have not yet proved the link.

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