Cnock Posted 25 May , 2008 Share Posted 25 May , 2008 Kevin, to be a professional archeologist You need an university degree. Cnock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnock Posted 25 May , 2008 Share Posted 25 May , 2008 Norman, You are right about the absence of current details, but I just stick to the facts. Others like the Diggers are better qualified to give more info. Cnock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tafski Posted 25 May , 2008 Share Posted 25 May , 2008 Norman, You are right about the absence of current details, but I just stick to the facts. Others like the Diggers are better qualified to give more info. Cnock Cnock very correct in what you say the de diggers are better qualified to give more info and i am sure in the fullness of time and when approriate they will Also if they do need the support they will ask,but at present what ever the dispute is it is a matter for the belgian authoritys to sort out Tafski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KevinEndon Posted 25 May , 2008 Share Posted 25 May , 2008 Should the diggers put out a notice asking for a professional archaeologist to come and help with their digging I can imagine the list of volunteers would be quite long. Fingers crossed Frans pops on and lets us know where this is going. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanA Posted 25 May , 2008 Share Posted 25 May , 2008 Should the diggers put out a notice asking for a professional architect to come and help with their digging I can imagine the list of volunteers would be quite long. My feeling is that the Belgian authorities would still require an archaeologist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugout Posted 29 May , 2008 Share Posted 29 May , 2008 I don’t think a petition on a forum is the good way to handle this case, and it wouldn’t have any effect eider. It would be the same as opening a petition for someone who was cot for speeding, even when his cause was noble. I think that the best thing we can do as a forum to help the Diggers, is try to convince them to work in accordance with the Belgian legislation, to ask a licence to do excavations, to work under supervision of the archaeological service of the Flemish government, to make excavation reports, finds- inventories, to map and georef all traces ….. If other peoples of organisations succeed to work like that, why wouldn’t the Diggers be able to work like that? Why should they prefer to keep on working in the illegality ? I’m sure they can do it on the proper way, and with a little support of a forum like this, it must work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tafski Posted 2 June , 2008 Share Posted 2 June , 2008 I think that the best thing we can do as a forum to help the Diggers, is try to convince them to work in accordance with the Belgian legislation, to ask a licence to do excavations, to work under supervision of the archaeological service of the Flemish government, to make excavation reports, finds- inventories, to map and georef all traces ….. If other peoples of organisations succeed to work like that, why wouldn’t the Diggers be able to work like that? Why should they prefer to keep on working in the illegality ? I’m sure they can do it on the proper way, and with a little support of a forum like this, it must work. Who says the de diggers dont work to a license ? and i am sure they do work in the proper way, Tafski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugout Posted 2 June , 2008 Share Posted 2 June , 2008 Who says the de diggers dont work to a license ? and i am sure they do work in the proper way, Tafski Tafski, If there was a licence there wouldn’t be a process undertaken against the Diggers, by the Flemish government. Logical isn’t it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROONAERT Posted 2 June , 2008 Share Posted 2 June , 2008 to be a professional archeologist You need an university degree. Though 9 out of 10 pro archaeologists are graduates, a degree isn't always necessary. (talking UK here, Belgium might be different?). dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROONAERT Posted 2 June , 2008 Share Posted 2 June , 2008 Tafski, If there was a licence there wouldn't be a process undertaken against the Diggers, by the Flemish government. Logical isn't it? The way I read it is that they have always operated under a license. Unfortunately, recent changes in legislation has rendered their current license obsolete. A mere administrative oversight which has been brought to the attention of the authorities in a possibly slightly underhand way. (That's just the way I read it and doesn't necessarily represent my opinion - not that I have anything to do with the situation and so, don't necessarily qualify for an opinion). Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROONAERT Posted 2 June , 2008 Share Posted 2 June , 2008 I don't think a petition on a forum is the good way to handle this case, and it wouldn't have any effect Totally agree. If de Diggers need support from this forum (and how can a forum such as this give a credible "character reference" anyway when only a mere handfull of the membership actually know them???), as has been said, I'm sure they'll ask. As to exactly why they'd ask, is another question though, especially when there are so many official bodies and organisations out there to seek assistance from (I can't imagine an internet discussion forum (for that's all we are at the end of the day!) carrying much clout to be honest!). dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugout Posted 2 June , 2008 Share Posted 2 June , 2008 The way I read it is that they have always operated under a license. Unfortunately, recent changes in legislation has rendered their current license obsolete. A mere administrative oversight which has been brought to the attention of the authorities in a possibly slightly underhand way. (That's just the way I read it and doesn't necessarily represent my opinion - not that I have anything to do with the situation and so, don't necessarily qualify for an opinion). Dave I’m sorry Dave, that’s maybe what you read, or what has been written. But we have to be honest, no government will pull you in front of court for a small administrative mistake, if you haven been correct all those years before. If a government gives you two times a warrant in two years time, and you still refuse to follow the rules, or put yourself in accordance with the active law, you will not be surprised if the government charge you. Of course you can always say that it’s a bad government, with bad laws and bad officers and bad judges and ……… But why doesn’t that government charge other organisations who does the same type of projects? Why do ones put thyself in accordance with the jurisdiction and others not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshdoc Posted 2 June , 2008 Share Posted 2 June , 2008 "no government will pull you in front of court for a small administrative mistake" Do you live in the 21st century United Kingdom? Where you can get a police record for slightly overfilling your dustbin!!!! I have no idea of the rights and wrongs in the Diggers case in Belgium, but I have a healthy mistrust of all governments in particular local ones as they often will have their own agenda not always to the benefit of those they are meant to serve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelS Posted 2 June , 2008 Share Posted 2 June , 2008 quote: 'welshdoc' date='Jun 2 2008, 03:47 PM' post='932084' "Do you live in the 21st century United Kingdom?" Is there an EU directive at the bottom of this then ? NigelS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshdoc Posted 2 June , 2008 Share Posted 2 June , 2008 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markacable Posted 2 June , 2008 Share Posted 2 June , 2008 I have a healthy mistrust of all governments in particular local ones as they often will have their own agenda not always to the benefit of those they are meant to serve. You fail to see that the primary reason for local government is to serve itself. It's the perfect machine; it creates its own inertia. If there is no problem to solve; create one! As for the Diggers, hopefully their past record will count for something when the boxes are ticked and a bit of common sense will be applied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugout Posted 3 June , 2008 Share Posted 3 June , 2008 If a government gives you two times a warrant in two years time, and you still refuse to follow the rules, or put yourself in accordance with the active law, you will not be surprised if the government charge you. Of course you can always say that it’s a bad government, with bad laws and bad officers and bad judges and ……… But why doesn’t that government charge other organisations who does the same type of projects? Why do ones put thyself in accordance with the jurisdiction and others not? Unfortunately I could not read an answer on my questions, in the last replies. I’m afraid we are a little off the center of the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tafski Posted 7 June , 2008 Share Posted 7 June , 2008 [ If there was a licence there wouldn’t be a process undertaken against the Diggers, by the Flemish government. Logical isn’t it? er so you are saying they have never had a license??? tafski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 7 June , 2008 Share Posted 7 June , 2008 Can I say, as an ex-Borough Councillor, that I find Mark Cable's view intensely cynical. And true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugout Posted 8 June , 2008 Share Posted 8 June , 2008 er so you are saying they have never had a license??? tafski Did I wrote that, tafski? Did you read that in my posts? I will not explain you the whole dossier. A forum is not the place to do that. I’m sure you know very well (or you should know), as the coordinator and man behind the sell of Diggercaps and Diggerpins, how the situation is. I fully understand and respect your position, and the fact that the actual court case is bad news in an economic view. But those are the facts we have to deal with. Let us wait is in all serenity and with all respect tell tomorrow, and hear what the judge will decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishmen1916 Posted 8 June , 2008 Share Posted 8 June , 2008 Like it or not ,the law (new law or not) is the law, let us wait and see the outcome. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugout Posted 9 June , 2008 Share Posted 9 June , 2008 The court case was this morning adjourned up to 8 September 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truthergw Posted 9 June , 2008 Share Posted 9 June , 2008 Thank you for the info, Dugout. Very frustrating. Do you know why the case was adjourned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnreed Posted 9 June , 2008 Share Posted 9 June , 2008 Were you at the Court Case this morning dugout and have you a vested interest in the court case. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugout Posted 10 June , 2008 Share Posted 10 June , 2008 Were you at the Court Case this morning dugout and have you a vested interest in the court case. John I was not, john. I also as do not considered as cause party in this legal procedure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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