Dok Posted 7 March , 2023 Share Posted 7 March , 2023 (edited) Андреас Шойхцер Мой старший относительно молод. Erfurt W12 aA с маркировкой WK (Werft Kiel) (Верфь Киль) Моя эрфуртская коллекция не полная. Я все еще скучаю по версии в сотрудничестве с Fernando Esser и Hilger und Söhne (Если эта компания действительно сотрудничала в производстве 98/05) На фотографиях также показана версия в сотрудничестве с Gottlieb Hammesfahr, где логотип компании встречается реже, чем стандартный. Так что надеюсь фото понравятся Я не слышал о сотрудничестве эрфуртской компании с Hilger und Söhne. Но у меня мясник сделан совместно с Ричем. А. Гердер. Edited 14 April , 2023 by Dok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Scheuchzer Posted 12 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 12 March , 2023 (edited) Different internal factory markings on the bayonets 98/05 Weyersberg & Co. Solingen (n.A. W 17, fraktur "C" Solingen) Edited 12 March , 2023 by Andreas Scheuchzer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dok Posted 12 March , 2023 Share Posted 12 March , 2023 (edited) Edited 14 May , 2023 by Dok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 12 March , 2023 Share Posted 12 March , 2023 (edited) Certainly not rare, maybe scarce production, i am little surpriced of low quality of rivet adding on crosspiece of W&Co piece and sloppy stamping on spine of blade. Carter and Williams only reported the major production pieces, still many combination exists in collectors community, that was not described, other point is that majority of the WW1 bayonets were melted down postwar. Nice bayonets reported here, so the virus of S98/05 is still working. Edited 14 March , 2023 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dok Posted 12 March , 2023 Share Posted 12 March , 2023 12 minutes ago, AndyBsk said: ..........., that was not described, other point is that majority of the WW1 bayonets were melted down postwar. Hi Andy! Is this reliable information? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 12 March , 2023 Share Posted 12 March , 2023 (edited) Certainly, as in war period was made millions of bayonets, even the Germans could have post only 100000 man army, is evident that they had even large number of rifles and bayonets stored in hidden depots, they choosed the short bayonet type S84/98 as a primarily weapon for Reichswehr. The WW2 period used only by second line units type of S98/05 bayonets. Some of german bayonets were exported to Turkey, Yugoslavia and Poland, but other countries didnt used butcher bayonets. Weyersberg&Co is described in Voronov and i assume never occured a S98/05aA type, so only late war period could be real. Edited 13 March , 2023 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dok Posted 12 March , 2023 Share Posted 12 March , 2023 Andreas thank you very much for showing your bayonets. Cool collection. I hope your topic continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dok Posted 12 March , 2023 Share Posted 12 March , 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, AndyBsk said: Weyersberg&Co is described in Voronov and i assume never occured a S98/05aA type, so only late war period could be real. I agree, no one has seen type S98 / 05aA. In Voronov's book there is Weyesberg together with Rich.A. Herder Edited 12 March , 2023 by Dok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 12 March , 2023 Share Posted 12 March , 2023 (edited) About history of this firm should be more researched. The R.Herder/Weyersberg combination speaks for the finishing in 1915 by this firm. And probably later made complete bayonets. Edited 12 March , 2023 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Scheuchzer Posted 14 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 14 March , 2023 Hello Dok, I made simple previev of the collection. so there will surely be something more to show off ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 14 March , 2023 Share Posted 14 March , 2023 Extremely nice collection, thanks for sharing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dok Posted 14 March , 2023 Share Posted 14 March , 2023 Andreas I want to say that you have a cool collection. I think one of the most complete in the world. Of course, I don’t have such an abundance, but there are very interesting specimens that I will show you. One minus, I broke my eyes looking at the photo. I propose to send photos for each manufacturer separately, in higher resolution. In general, everything is fine. I am glad that another patient has appeared in our ranks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dok Posted 14 March , 2023 Share Posted 14 March , 2023 F. KOELLER & COMPANIE, SOLINGEN – OHLIGS +DURKOPP WERKE A G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dok Posted 14 March , 2023 Share Posted 14 March , 2023 (edited) F. KOELLER & COMPANIE, SOLINGEN – OHLIGS + A W Edited 13 April , 2023 by Dok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Scheuchzer Posted 15 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 15 March , 2023 I had a dream to one day publish a book about my collection detailing bayonets and information about their manufacturers. Their families, their fates and what they did besides making bayonets. I didn't want to present the bayonets in good resolution as a whole because they would be overlooked and no one would buy the book ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Andreas Scheuchzer Posted 15 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 15 March , 2023 Dok... very long uploading... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 15 March , 2023 Share Posted 15 March , 2023 The bayonet listing is very informative, anyway already exist books about same area from Carter and Voronov, so is questionable how it would be described. And what for market would be focused on. -pre WW1 production WW1 production, combination of firms post WW1 refurbishments various countries using etc.. dress bayonets, rohlings, extra using, splitter etcc. Unfortunally not all are in good condition, some are cleaned and some inspector or date proofs are not visible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Scheuchzer Posted 15 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 15 March , 2023 Andy knows how to please a man :-) Já vím ,že nejsou všechny dobré, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 15 March , 2023 Share Posted 15 March , 2023 (edited) Certainly any dream should be followed, and more bayonets should be find, the major adding would be publish the uncovered combination and increase quality of information from Carter/Voronov books. So dont worry and continue in Your work. The Carter / Voronov books have a lot of errors in their books, anyway there is other catalog book from Williams. Edited 15 March , 2023 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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