Andreas Scheuchzer 98/05 Bayonet collection

[Andreas Scheuchzer]

Hi, I received a proposal to create a gallery where I will present bayonets 98/05 from my collection.
I would like to start by saying that even though I have been collecting for over 15 years, I have not been active in internet forums because I do not speak English. Now I started using google translator and the lyrics will look like that too :-( I apologize for this handicap in advance. I will try to improve.
I started my collection 98/05 17 years ago when my dad bought me the first bayonet (Haenel a.A. W14 it is not listed in Carter's tables)
I wanted to collect all the manufacturers, I already have them. Now I would like all variants of cooperation of manufacturers. (for example Gottlieb Hammesfahr together with Dürkopp, Erfurt, Schubert und Salzer and L.O.Dietrich)
I am also interested in post - war official and private bayonet modifications (splitter, machetes, etc.)

[Andreas Scheuchzer]

 

The year is 1918 and the Great War has just ended, which has defeated the German Empire and plunged it into the uncertain times for the next few years, plagued by inflation, unemployment and a general decline in spirit. The Treaty of Versailles dictates a large reduction in the number of armies, war reparations and a limited number of weapons. That is what the three companions are thinking about. Brothers Hans and Hugo Schmeisser and Paul Koch. They are no greenhorns in machine production. There is probably no need to introduce the brothers. Luis Schmeisser's sons have already gained their spurs. Hugo worked on an MP18 submachine gun and Paul Koch, who has a PAKO company for the production of vices, has his own machines and premises for further production. He is thinking of full warehouses of bayonets 98/05 and their peaceful reconstruction. This gives rise to the idea of producing a device called Splitter. They had their idea registered on December 19, 1919 in Germany. The patent was issued on June 23, 1921 under the number 338573 Klasse 34d Gruppe 1. About Austria we have even more precise information Registration 24.12.1919 (really for Christmas), patent proceedings started on 15.12.1920 and the patent issued on July 25, 1921 under number 84829 Klasse 34e.
It is a simple product operating on the physical principle of a single-arm lever. The sheath of the bayonet was stripped of the baton and springs holding the bayonet inside. The button was removed from the bayonet and the manufacturer's mark was removed. The tip of the bayonet was ground and a hole was drilled a short distance from the end of the blade where a simple joint and connection with the scabbard was created. 4 notches were cut into it. The company logo was then made by watermarking (such as characters on German helmets) on the surface of the vagina.
The product was designed to be mounted on a wall and its function was to split chips into fire. I can imagine its mounting on the wall of a shed with wood. It is interesting that the product was found far around the world. Specimens were found in Belgium, England and the USA. But even such a far reach of this product did not mean its mass expansion and was gradually forgotten. The fact that during the Battle of Britain, this Splitter was found during the removal of the wreckage of a house was evidenced by the fact that this "Split of Home Security" was published in 1943 by Training Pamphlet No.2 - Objects Dropped from the Air. Where he describes that the Germans attach these devices to the bodies of bombs and create "screaming bombs". I assume this was also based on the Trumpet of Jericho, which were mounted on Ju87-Stuka dive bombers and caused panic with their sound.

DE338573_Holzspalter_Schmeisser.pdf Splitter-Patent-Österreich.pdf

[AndyBsk]

Very nice Splitter with complete background information and patent documents, personally but believe it would work better on ground mounted and only with soft wood, by hard wood the body of scabbard would be under larger pressure.

[trajan]

I have always wanted a Splitter....  And they were indeed wall-mounted!

[MikeyH]

Julian,

 

There is one coming up for auction in the U.K.  Described as a 'trench find butchers knife'.

It is of the sawback removed type, and pretty rusty.

 

Mike.

[Steve1871]

Thank’s Andreas

 

That was great, I knew of these, but never seen one in real life. I did not know anything about them.Great with those drawings and photos. Did not know how widespread they got.Great story.

What is the Earliest 98/05 in your collection?

Photos please

[Andreas Scheuchzer]

Hello Steve 1871. My oldest is relatively young. Erfurt W12 a.A. marked by the unit W.K. (Werft Kiel) (Dockyard Kiel)
My Erfurt collection is not complete. I still miss the version in cooperation with Fernando Esser and Hilger und Söhne (If this company really cooperated in the production of 98/05)
The photos also show a version in cooperation with Gottlieb Hammesfahr, where the company logo is rarer than standard.
So hopefully the photos will be liked

[Steve1871]

That looks great. Wish it was mine😁

You have full pics showing the blade.Without flash guard is nice!Great to see an early one, the Naval issue makes it the more rare. I have not found a unit marked 98/05  Or a Naval one. A bayonet to be proud of. Thanks

[Andreas Scheuchzer]

Jeden s „K“ a druhý se „Z“

[AndyBsk]

Nice collection the S98/05nA with dual stamps is mostly accepted in Solingen, so its possible the blanks were delivered to Erfurt already proofed or the change to S98/05nA was done there.

Vidim ze si z ČR aj ked Nick vyzera ako nemecke meno.

[Andreas Scheuchzer]

55 minutes ago, AndyBsk said:

Pěkná kolekce S98 / 05nA s dvojitými razítky je většinou přijímána v Solingenu, takže je možné, že polotovary byly dodány do Erfurtu již ověřené nebo tam byla provedena změna na S98 / 05nA.

Vidím ze si z ČR aj když Nick vypadal ako nemecké meno.

Nick is inspirated by Karel Čapek - War with the Newts. 

[AndyBsk]

Anyway You use a german language on description of bayonets in collection. So You probably talk german.

[Andreas Scheuchzer]

3 hours ago, AndyBsk said:

Anyway You use a german language on description of bayonets in collection. So You probably talk german.

 

I can't speak German. In the description I use what corresponds to the bayonet. I write German city names in German and I do not use Czech names. But otherwise I use Czech in the description.

 

for example "spolupráce" is "in cooperation"

[trajan]

20 hours ago, MikeyH said:

Julian,

 

There is one coming up for auction in the U.K.  Described as a 'trench find butchers knife'.

It is of the sawback removed type, and pretty rusty.

 

Mike.

 

Many, many, thanks! I'll see what I can do about it. After all, it will be my birthday in June....!!!

[Andreas Scheuchzer]

I Have question about Mausers scabards. 

 

Čeština

Angličtina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Metal sheaths 98/05 marked by the manufacturer "MauserWerke Oberndorf am Neckar".

While making order, he came across two types of attachment of the carrier (Tragehaken) of this manufacturer's scabard. It seems to be a "public secret" that MauserWerke-marked bayonets and sheaths were not manufactured by Mauser. Mauser was busy filling arms supplies and handed over the production of bayonets 98/05 in the years 15-18 to the company Unionwerk Mea G.m.b.H. Elektrotechnische Fabrik Eisenwerk, Feurbach and the latter, in contract with Mauser, produced approximately 1,106,000 bayonets and an unspecified number of sheaths, as MauserWerke also supplied sheaths for other manufacturers.
(There were companies only engaged in the production of scabbards for 98/05, such as Kortenbach und Rauh and Ernst Otto Mayers - KronosWerk)

The photos show that these are two production processes. The second seems to significantly accelerate production. On the one hand, the carrier (Tragehaken) is machined by milling and then welded or riveted to the body of the scabard. In the second case, a bed for the carrier (Tragehaken) is pressed into the body of the scabard, and this is, as can be seen from the photo, fastened to the scabard by flat protrusions over the pad.

I would like to ask for clarification on this

[trajan]

I need to check mine. I have published an article in English mainly on Waffenfabrik bayonets if you are interested. 

 

Julian 

[AndyBsk]

I would see it as a simplification of production were the second one modell was already pressed of basement of hook into body of scabbard?.
Yes the newer sources clearly speaks for ElektroWerke Feuerbach as producer of all Mauser marked S98/05 bayonets and scabbards. Mauser loaned the production line and manpower for production of the bayonets and scabbards.

[Andreas Scheuchzer]

Kaufamann/Dietrich 98/05 with rare Kaufmanns "cat in circle" scabbard.

[AndyBsk]

Certainly a nice piece, the blade was probably lightly rusted or there was a blueing applied postwar? 

[trajan]

12 hours ago, Andreas Scheuchzer said:

Kaufamann/Dietrich 98/05 with rare Kaufmanns "cat in circle" scabbard.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I knew the scabbard mark existed but have never been lucky enough to see an example, never mind get one (or one of their bayonets for that matter)! Many thanks!

 

Julian

Edited 17 March , 2021 by trajan

[Andreas Scheuchzer]

J.A. Henckels Zwillingswerke and his contract with Anker Werke and Frister und Rossmann and his own production.

[AndyBsk]

Nice collection of Henckels blades.

[Andreas Scheuchzer]

One of the other "official" bayonet conversions 98/05.
Unfortunately, the original owner completely "repaired" it before I bought it from him.

This involves the conversion of a bayonet into a machete and its sale to South America. A remnant of the VALESKA logo can be seen on the rikasso.

 VALESKA is a trademark of Johann Froescheis,
Lyra-Bleistiftfabrik, Nuremberg. Registry class: 9b. Style: block.

 

I saw a very similar one on one internet forum (only the handle was original)

I would like to ask for your experience and photos of possible pieces in your collections. Thank you. Andreas

[MikeyH]

Andreas,

 

There is a similar example of a 98/05 conversion in the Imperial War Museum in London.

This has had the blade bent into a full half moon shape.

Thank you for posting these items from your collection.

 

Mike.

[Andreas Scheuchzer]

1 minute ago, MikeyH said:

Andreasi,

 

Podobný příklad přeměny 98/05 je v Imperial War Museum v Londýně.

To mělo čepel ohnutou do tvaru úplného půlměsíce.

Děkujeme, že jste zveřejnili tyto položky ze své sbírky.

 

Mike.

This piece is not from my collection. I had it in my photo archive