trajan Posted 14 April , 2023 Share Posted 14 April , 2023 I wish I could find 'spare' ones like those! Basically amost all that turns up here is WAFFENFABRIK 1917! Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Scheuchzer Posted 8 May , 2023 Author Share Posted 8 May , 2023 (edited) Edited 8 May , 2023 by Andreas Scheuchzer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 9 May , 2023 Share Posted 9 May , 2023 Both of your collections are world class in size and scope,amount of makers and should be proud. I only have 8 or 9 I think . I enjoy this ongoing post here. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 9 May , 2023 Share Posted 9 May , 2023 Very nice commemoration item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 12 May , 2023 Share Posted 12 May , 2023 Andreas, that is a wonderful item to have! Never seen anything like it before. Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Scheuchzer Posted 4 December , 2023 Author Share Posted 4 December , 2023 I can cross another bayonet off the list. Merger of Gebrüder Hartkopf together with Waltet-Möwe werke. The bayonet was broken and being repaired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 6 December , 2023 Share Posted 6 December , 2023 Hey Andreas. With such a huge collection of those 98/05’s, you make me feel like a novice or “ Newbe” collector all over again. Icread somewhere that there were 62 regular makers, plus all the various double maker. Usually a regular contractor making the blade/ tang from steel blanks , send to one of main State arsenals, Erfurt seems the most popular. Then the two makers with both being contractors. Docyou have a full list of all maker Variations Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mortimer Posted 6 December , 2023 Share Posted 6 December , 2023 Steve, here's a french website I found where all the makers with the respective production dates and transitional models are listed. According to the website, there are 41 individual makers (not counting possible double stamps, but those are listed as well!) https://mesbaionnettes.com/index.php/baionnettes-allemandes-1898-05/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 7 December , 2023 Share Posted 7 December , 2023 Thank you Sir Mortimer! Interesting sight. With over a million or much more 98/05’s produced pre war and war time, all those charts look to be what the web sights created has encountered? I do not know French. The list of maker names with image is very nice, but still, I have read in at least two book, there were 60-62 makers, not including double maker stamped bayonets. I am just a poor little upstart with 7-9? 98/05’s, maybe 6 makers total Anyway, thanks again for that site Sir Mortimer, will have to check it out better when I have time, driving, 2 hours left to drive to deliver 48,000 ( US) pounds canola oil in the morning. Take care Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 7 December , 2023 Share Posted 7 December , 2023 (edited) The maker number of S98/05 is offcoarse unreal, as some only delivered the blade blanks and never realised the full production, and some are finishers. the link presented have listed all makers of german bayonets since 1865 as W.R.Kirschbaum, Wilhelm Suhl, Coulaux Klingenthal didnt existed in 1900 already, same as there are variation of marking of same maker more as once. The book of Carter or new copy of Voronov lists major of the blank provider/maker finisher even with some errors still. Edited 7 December , 2023 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 31 December , 2023 Share Posted 31 December , 2023 (edited) On 09/12/2023 at 00:36, Andreas Scheuchzer said: I found and edited this one A nice piece of work! Thanks! AND while I am at it - this is the third time today I have lost a post because of some new security system involving a car and a street pattern to see if I am human or not! Is it just me???? Edited 31 December , 2023 by trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Scheuchzer Posted 12 April Author Share Posted 12 April F. Koeller Solingen - Ohligs in cooperate with Dürkopp Bielefeld. Sawback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 12 April Share Posted 12 April A nice one - with an odd-looking 'W' spine mark though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Scheuchzer Posted 15 April Author Share Posted 15 April (edited) it is a "Z" fraktur on blade spine and "M" fraktur on a head Edited 15 April by Andreas Scheuchzer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 16 April Share Posted 16 April OK, new to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navydoc16 Posted 28 August Share Posted 28 August On 19/03/2021 at 21:02, Andreas Scheuchzer said: J.A. Henckels Zwillingswerke and his contract with Anker Werke and Frister und Rossmann and his own production. Are the FR blades with no Zwilling rare? kind regards g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 31 August Share Posted 31 August Even not a owner of Frister Rossman S98/05 bayonet, any pictures avialable? Frister and Rossmann are most real finisher, they allways used different rohlings, so even not marked by twins of Henckels , they could be delivered by other blade maker. For this should be presented proofs on spine of blade and pommel. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navydoc16 Posted 31 August Share Posted 31 August No other makers marking only FS - can you tell by the proof? kind regards g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shippingsteel Posted 31 August Share Posted 31 August Carter has this shorter format Frister & Rossman trademark as being more commonly found, with 1917 dated examples such as this one previously noted. Cheers, SS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navydoc16 Posted 31 August Share Posted 31 August 9 minutes ago, shippingsteel said: Carter has this shorter format Frister & Rossman trademark as being more commonly found, with 1917 dated examples such as this one previously noted. Cheers, SS Just trying to understand, are they considered finishers only? Or is this disputed? kind regards g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 31 August Share Posted 31 August (edited) The inspector stamp is blurry, not good visible, maybe its letter D? no any proofs on pommel (over locking lug)? this could be Demag/Duisburg production rohling to Frister Rossmann, W17 is confirmed in Carter/Voronov books, but there exist undated samples which could be earlier also 1916. Frister Rossmann produced sewing mashines, they were finishers at the bayonets stage. Edited 31 August by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navydoc16 Posted 1 September Share Posted 1 September Are these considered rare? @AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 1 September Share Posted 1 September (edited) Similar question are probably hard to answer as no reports exist how many were made or finished by Frister&Rossmann, anyway in the large ammount of S98/05 could be declared as scarce to find in comparation of other makers of Solingen or Suhl. Any details of pommel proof? In A.Sch. collection that You added in front of Your question is similar as Your piece on second from top position by details of spines or from second bottom position on first picture, with the damaged flashguard numbered with 25, on spine of blade is similar D proof and W17 for 1917 production year. There is no Henckel twins on blade. Edited 1 September by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 4 September Share Posted 4 September Sounds like Andy has his Sherlock Holmes hat on, determined to study this mystery! A great part of our forum when Members with good research libraries see a challenge for the joy of collecting Keep going there Andy, I do not have the research to know what questions to ask and I been collecting a long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navydoc16 Posted 21 September Share Posted 21 September On 04/03/2023 at 07:19, Andreas Scheuchzer said: note the three dots on the blade... This one showed up with a different marking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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