Andreas Scheuchzer Posted 1 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 1 March , 2023 I don't know what the archives in Germany look like when a lot was burned in 1945. But the archive in the Czech Republic is tens of thousands of boxes with no description of documents. You can sit there and start searching, while the world flies by like a Futurama comic by a thousand years. I got documents from there about the enlistment of the M1898 and M1898/05 in the Czech Army, but they were found by accident. Greatings to Polland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 2 March , 2023 Share Posted 2 March , 2023 About czechoslovak S98/05 bayonets is all clear after Sada and Smid books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Scheuchzer Posted 2 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 2 March , 2023 I meant the finding of such documents where the number of different bayonets in different warehouses is concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 2 March , 2023 Share Posted 2 March , 2023 Thanks for sharing, i assume this listing is in Smid book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dok Posted 2 March , 2023 Share Posted 2 March , 2023 (edited) Андреас, если ты помешан на коллекционировании бухеров, то загадок тебе на всю жизнь хватит. Одним из них является маркировка R и K на штыках Шульте. Edited 12 April , 2023 by Dok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dok Posted 2 March , 2023 Share Posted 2 March , 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, AndyBsk said: About czechoslovak S98/05 bayonets is all clear after Sada and Smid books. Andy, I haven't seen this book. You can write me its full name and authors. Edited 2 March , 2023 by Dok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 2 March , 2023 Share Posted 2 March , 2023 (edited) The books are out of print, col.Miroslav Šáda: Československe ručné palne zbrane a kulomety and Jan Šmíd: Pušky a bodáky vz.24 but both books are out of interest for You as about german bayonets and rifles there are max. one page and not full one. Edited 2 March , 2023 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dok Posted 2 March , 2023 Share Posted 2 March , 2023 Another interesting butcher. Yugoslavia. D + H.Kaufmann & shone India verk Solingen. I am more and more inclined to think that D is the abbreviated name L.O.Dietrich, Altenurg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Scheuchzer Posted 3 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 3 March , 2023 On 2. 3. 2023 at 10:09, Dok said: Andreasi, pokud jsi posedlý sbíráním buchrů, pak budeš mít hádanek dost na celý život. Jedním z nich je označení R a K na bajonetech Schulte Hello. I think it's Robert Krumm. I have been obsessed for 18 years ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dok Posted 3 March , 2023 Share Posted 3 March , 2023 R.K is Robert Krumm's saw and knife factory... it is quite possible, but I have not found any information about this factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dok Posted 3 March , 2023 Share Posted 3 March , 2023 I have one mention of Robert Krumm in my archive, but without proof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dok Posted 3 March , 2023 Share Posted 3 March , 2023 6 hours ago, Andreas Scheuchzer said: I have been obsessed for 18 years ;-) Andreas and can I please see your bayonets produced by SCHULTE & COMPANIE, GEVELSBERG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 3 March , 2023 Share Posted 3 March , 2023 (edited) There are various information in internet, is possible that there was consortium of both firms to made bayonets S98/05, as both were carpenter tool, wood tool manufacturer firms, Gevelsberg location is very near to Remscheid. From info that i have the early production were marked Stahlblume which should be a trademark of Ferd.Schleutermann and the flying angel with trumpet should be trademark of Schulte &Co. So it looks like both firms were joined together by production of bayonets, the early production is Schulte &Co/Gevelsberg marked and probably later it was renamed with Ferd.Schleutermann / Remscheid Hasten. Part of production was dated 1916. Since 1917 the join stamp was missed and exist only bayonets marked Schleutermann/Remscheid. AW and RK could be period stamp with various explanation, rohlings or rough part deliverer, steelworks shortage initials. About RK, the explanation could be various. Evidently on the crossguard were both letters here stamped independently which more speaks for technological stamp as for firm, anyway this could be not closed out. Robert Krumm was too from Remscheid. Edited 3 March , 2023 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Scheuchzer Posted 3 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 3 March , 2023 note the three dots on the blade... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dok Posted 3 March , 2023 Share Posted 3 March , 2023 Andy thank you so much for your reply, That was quite informative, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dok Posted 3 March , 2023 Share Posted 3 March , 2023 (edited) Andreas, thank you! The only thing I don't see is Schulte, along with Anker Werke and Schleutermann. Haven't you found them yet Edited 3 March , 2023 by Dok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dok Posted 3 March , 2023 Share Posted 3 March , 2023 (edited) A and W I think you don't mind it being Anker Werke Edited 3 March , 2023 by Dok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dok Posted 3 March , 2023 Share Posted 3 March , 2023 This is a very rare marking on Schulte bayonets. Unfortunately, I don't have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 4 March , 2023 Share Posted 4 March , 2023 (edited) AnkerWerke on tang means the finisher of the bayonet was AnkerWerke probably, which should mean the blank provider was consortium Schulte - F.Schleutermann. The crossguard is of older type also the production date should be prior end of 1915. Similar as lastly pictured only Stahlblume marking which is probably the earliest production. Stahlblume / Angel - most real 1915 S98/05aA Stahlblume / Angel / AW/ Schulte &Co /Gevelsberg undated 1915 S98/05aA Stahlblume / Angel / RK/ Schulte &Co /Gevelsberg undated 1915 S98/05aA transition with fg followed by 1916 Stahlblume / Angel / AW/ Ferd.Schleutermann /Remscheid Hasten S98/05nA 1917/18 Schleutermann / Remscheid Edited 4 March , 2023 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Scheuchzer Posted 4 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 4 March , 2023 I recently posted a photo of a post-war bayonet without a manufacturer on a ricasso. Anchor emblem A.W. she was then found under the doorknobs. (see here on page 3) Version by Schulte + A.W. unfortunately I don't have it in my collection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Scheuchzer Posted 4 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 4 March , 2023 And what do you think about the star with a dot that also appears on these bayonets? Gebruder Böhler & Co. A.G. Wien ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 4 March , 2023 Share Posted 4 March , 2023 (edited) This stamp was confirmed by various Schleutermann pieces, is possible they got some parts from Steelworks with similar symbol, but i would not pair it with Boehler Stahl, as they used normal six point star. Similar stamp were observed on blade spine too. I believe this stamps was discussed some years ago here in forum. Edited 4 March , 2023 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dok Posted 4 March , 2023 Share Posted 4 March , 2023 7 hours ago, AndyBsk said: AnkerWerke на хвостовике означает, что изготовителем штыка, вероятно, был AnkerWerke, что должно означать, что поставщиком бланков был консорциум Schulte - F.Schleutermann. Крестовина более старого типа, и дата производства должна быть до конца 1915 года. Подобно последнему изображению, только маркировка Stahlblume, которая, вероятно, является самой ранней продукцией. Stahlblume / Angel - самый настоящий 1915 S98/05aA Stahlblume / Angel / AW/ Schulte & Co / Gevelsberg без даты 1915 S98/05aA Stahlblume / Angel / RK/ Schulte & Co /Gevelsberg без даты 1915 S98/05aA переход с fg затем 1916 Stahlblume / Angel / AW / Ferd.Schleutermann /Remscheid Hasten S98/05nA 1917/18 Шлейтерманн / Ремшайд Yes, Andy, you wrote it right. As for the markings on the bayonets from Schulte, I will give an example of another rare item Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Scheuchzer Posted 6 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 6 March , 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dok Posted 6 March , 2023 Share Posted 6 March , 2023 Great, I haven't even seen such an instance. The condition is poor, but this is compensated by the exclusivity of this item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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