museumtom Posted 18 May , 2020 Author Share Posted 18 May , 2020 Cronin is RASC 382023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 18 May , 2020 Share Posted 18 May , 2020 6 minutes ago, museumtom said: Cronin is RASC 382023 Was he still serving at the time ? https://www.fold3.com/image/645240549?terms=1019,cronin,charles Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 18 May , 2020 Author Share Posted 18 May , 2020 To be honest Craig, I do not know. Thank you for the url. Do you reckon he was still serving? Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 19 May , 2020 Share Posted 19 May , 2020 (edited) Joseph O’Callaghan. Sgt. 3896 Connaught Rangers. Widow Agnes. His mother Ellen also claimed a pension. 6 relevant pension cards. Addresses given are in Cork. This man discharged TB. 28/2/17. Note entry regarding if attributable or not is absent. One of the cards suggests a birth date of 1890. Trying to verify actual year of birth. This is the card that refers to his TB https://www.fold3.com/image/645075037 This is the card that gives DoD as 7/12/19 https://www.fold3.com/image/645797785 This record gives 3896 an age of 40 in 1916 and shows him already suffering with TB whilst serving. https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=S2%2FGBM%2FMH106%2FMH106-1269%2F0012&parentid=GBM%2FMH106%2FP2%2F024276 SWB roll shows served from 7/4/11. Looks like the crucial entry is missing. Edited 19 May , 2020 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmeg Posted 19 May , 2020 Share Posted 19 May , 2020 (edited) Could this be your Charles Cronin? I'm assuming you are looking for an Irishman. However to confuse matters there is an April death for a Charles Cronin in Cork for a man b 1874. I make the address 20HASTINGS Avenue, where was the death cert issued? https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?q.givenName=charles&q.surname=cronin&q.birthLikeDate.from=1870&q.birthLikeDate.to=1880&m.defaultFacets=on&m.queryRequireDefault=on&m.facetNestCollectionInCategory=on&count=20&offset=0 Charles Cronin Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881Tools ────────── Create New Folder Name:Charles Cronin Event Type:Birth Event Date:6 Feb 1876 Event Place:Ireland Event Place (Original):Cork, Ireland Gender:Male Father's Name:James Cronin Mother's Name:Mary Cronin Carthy Family search shows a Charles Cronin in 1901 and 1911 census- he is not in the army at that time. FS also gives you this- the death date is a little off though, but only a little) Charles Daniel Cronin England and Wales, National Index of Wills and Administrations, 1858-1957Tools ────────── Create New Folder Name:Charles Daniel Cronin Event Type:Probate Event Date:10 Mar 1920 Event Place:Surrey, England, United Kingdom Event Place (Original):Surrey, United Kingdom Death Date:13 Jan 1920 Beneficiary's Name:Dorothy Mabel Raymond Cronin Edited 19 May , 2020 by Madmeg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmeg Posted 19 May , 2020 Share Posted 19 May , 2020 Patrick Harrington is harder- was he definitely a soldier? He's the only military record for 1911 that looks relevant. Family search again Patrick Harrington England and Wales Census, 1911Tools ────────── Create New Folder Name:Patrick Harrington Event Type:Census Event Date:1911 Event Place:, , Royal Navy At Sea And In Ports Abroad, County:Royal Navy At Sea And In Ports Abroad Sub-District Number:2 District Number:640 Enumeration District:7 Age:37 Marital Status:Single Marital Status (Original):SINGLE Institution:QUEEN Birth Year (Estimated):1874 Birthplace:Glenville, County Cork Schedule Type:9999 Page Number:14 Registration Number:RG14 Piece/Folio:235 Affiliate Record Identifier:GBC/1911/RG14/34971/0235/8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 19 May , 2020 Share Posted 19 May , 2020 (edited) I am sure as I can be that John on the Death Cetificate was Joseph in life 1. Only death of an O'Callaghan that we know happened in Cork on 7/12/19 2. He was discharged and died of TB. Had been suffering from it for 3+ years. 3. He was a Connaught Ranger as per the Death Certificate 4. His age, despite one of the cards, was in his 40s as indicated by medical record and death certificate His mother Ellen lived at 35, Evergreen Buildings and widow Agnes at 22 Cattle Market. Both in Cork Whilst one bit of evidence would not be conclusive, the whole lot together makes the ID pretty certain. Right surname, right location, right regiment, right cause of death that we know soldier suffered from, right date of death.There is no other obvious candidate. Edited 19 May , 2020 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 19 May , 2020 Author Share Posted 19 May , 2020 I think...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 19 May , 2020 Share Posted 19 May , 2020 Something a bit rum here. You man's oldest daughter is Ellen that matches my man's mother's name. Both married to an Agnes This card https://www.fold3.com/image/645241253 shows my man was was separated from his Agnes and she was not supported by him. When I get a bit of time I will have another look. Clearly more to this than meets the eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 19 May , 2020 Author Share Posted 19 May , 2020 Thank you Mark, it sure is complicated. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 19 May , 2020 Author Share Posted 19 May , 2020 (edited) OK guys and gals I found him in the CWGC Sorry about that. https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/375150/haymes,-/ Edited 19 May , 2020 by museumtom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 19 May , 2020 Share Posted 19 May , 2020 Haymes? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 19 May , 2020 Share Posted 19 May , 2020 Mark Almost overwhelming evidence-and well done Tom for the interpretation! Mark-on DC he is a Private; Pension Cards have Sergeant. I wondered whether he wouldn't have claimed his status at the hospital/asylum? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 19 May , 2020 Share Posted 19 May , 2020 Tom Looking at what yoy have posted on O'Callaghan. There seems to be 2 Marriages. One in 1905 and one in 1911. Jeremiah in 1905 to Agnes and John Joseph in 1911 to Agnes. So that suggests 2 men both marrying an Agnes. Searching... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 19 May , 2020 Share Posted 19 May , 2020 I think John Joseph is the son of Jeremiah and Agnes? The MC and attestation forms are the same George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 19 May , 2020 Share Posted 19 May , 2020 3896 had a brother Michael https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2743873/o'callaghan,-michael/ Died 28/10/18 whilst with the RAF He was previously 357 Royal Irish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 19 May , 2020 Author Share Posted 19 May , 2020 Thank you George I was looking for Haymes and deleted the post as I found him straight away, silly me. John Joseph is his son. I posted the birth cert to show he was serving as Jeremiah and his wife was Agnes. Mark you are coming up with some startling stuff. I don't know how you found his brother but well done and thanks again/. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 19 May , 2020 Share Posted 19 May , 2020 I think one of the Pension cards-at least-has the two mentioned together at the top? I'll see if I can dig it out George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 19 May , 2020 Share Posted 19 May , 2020 (edited) We are beginning to get somewhere Michael enlisted as 10309 RMF in 1914 and discharged a few months later as not likely to become an efficient soldier. In these docs https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fwo363-4%2f007280342%2f00753&parentid=gbm%2fwo363-4%2f7280342%2f60%2f751 he names Ellen as mother and John, Joseph and Richard as brothers.The address matches the one on Michael's Marriage you have just posted. The docs showed he had previously been 4275 Connaughts for a few months. Clearly he then enlisted as 357 Royal Irish before finally ending up in the RAF. Michael was born in 1895 according to his RAF records https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FAIR79%2F2515%2F00193&parentid=GBM%2FAIR79%2F178880 This would imply that the 1890 Dob for his brother Joseph who we know died on 7/12/19 due to the WFA cards might be valid. However we have the medical record for him from 1916 showing him as 40. 3896 is definitely this Michael's brother and so his father is Joseph and therefore is not the man who married Agnes Walsh. Unless of course there was some wife-swapping going on!! Did Ellen mary twice! Edited 19 May , 2020 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 19 May , 2020 Share Posted 19 May , 2020 Fold3 via Ancestry George ....and 288624 Michael O'Callaghan is? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 19 May , 2020 Author Share Posted 19 May , 2020 I am actually sitting here laughing at this, its like 'I am my own Grampa'. I have no idea who is who. Hands up who is not laughing at this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 19 May , 2020 Share Posted 19 May , 2020 I sat down as my head was spinning. Is anybody drawing a picture of these O'Callaghans/Ocallaghans? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 19 May , 2020 Author Share Posted 19 May , 2020 288624 Michael Callaghan is the RAF guy who's father is Joseph the tailor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 19 May , 2020 Share Posted 19 May , 2020 But was he in the Library with a pistol? And where is Miss Scarlet? Sorry! George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 19 May , 2020 Author Share Posted 19 May , 2020 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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