4thGordons Posted 4 September , 2011 Share Posted 4 September , 2011 Yes, agreed medal, good conduct and marksman, and the Colonial pattern helmet with white cover, spike and chain suggests early 190X ...... but excuse a Sassenach, which regiment please? Gordon. (cf sporran, collar badges, black buttons on gaiters) Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 4 September , 2011 Author Share Posted 4 September , 2011 Gordon. (cf sporran, collar badges, black buttons on gaiters) Chris I thort he had to be but .............? Thank you. Off to my boat now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 5 September , 2011 Share Posted 5 September , 2011 I thort he had to be but .............? Thank you. Off to my boat now! Is that a frock or a tunic? It seems less clear cut than with the standard patterns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 7 September , 2011 Author Share Posted 7 September , 2011 I suggest it is highland equiv. of best IP frock: his winter Full Dress in India. Reasons: medal worn helmet cover, spike and chinchain worn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 8 September , 2011 Share Posted 8 September , 2011 I suggest it is highland equiv. of best IP frock: his winter Full Dress in India. Reasons: medal worn helmet cover, spike and chinchain worn Yes of course, I remember now that you said the tunic was not issued there, but a best frock instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted 8 September , 2011 Share Posted 8 September , 2011 Serious question. Maybe it is just the way I am looking at this particular Gordon, but is he of small stature or has he been issued with an overly large sporran? It appears to be enormous in relation to his size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Upton Posted 8 September , 2011 Share Posted 8 September , 2011 Serious question. Maybe it is just the way I am looking at this particular Gordon, but is he of small stature or has he been issued with an overly large sporran? It appears to be enormous in relation to his size. It doesn't appear particularly out of proportion - it doesn't touch the skirts of his jacket and hangs just below the edge of the kilt, which is where it should be. Possibly the hair has just flared out a little, making it seem a little wider than usual? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 10 September , 2011 Author Share Posted 10 September , 2011 here is a treat: a fine young sergeant 2nd RWF c. 1905, with IP scout badge. NB the braiding on SNCO IP frock. QSA with 1st RWF with a good number of bars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 10 September , 2011 Author Share Posted 10 September , 2011 Cpl Albert Miners, mounted or orderly duty, China Boxer Rebellion. Subsequently CSM, KIA on eve of commissioning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 10 September , 2011 Share Posted 10 September , 2011 Royal Dublin Fusiliers showing diamond shaped flash on side of Wolseley helmet and shoulder titles but no collar badges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 11 September , 2011 Author Share Posted 11 September , 2011 RDF interesting. "new" helmet. "Old" collar "New" web belt Not far away rom 1908, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 12 September , 2011 Share Posted 12 September , 2011 Seaforths in India (NB Large diamond on helmets) Annoyingly I cannot find the original (which I purchased reasonably recently) to scan it better.... but if I put my hand on it I will) 1903 equipment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 12 September , 2011 Author Share Posted 12 September , 2011 Thank you: please can you identify rifle: may not be SMLE. Helmets are Wolseley of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 12 September , 2011 Share Posted 12 September , 2011 Thank you: please can you identify rifle: may not be SMLE. Helmets are Wolseley of course. I will confirm when I find orig. but looking at this picture on a small monitor (enough caveats there? ) - I think they are indeed SMLEs although I think they are MkI not MkIII(introduced 1907) - evidence would be the right hand most rifle in the left pile (as we look) appears to show the early rear sight protectors where the protective "wings" were integral to the handguard. I will make a concerted effort to find original this evening. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 12 September , 2011 Share Posted 12 September , 2011 I will confirm when I find orig. but looking at this picture on a small monitor (enough caveats there? ) - I think they are indeed SMLEs although I think they are MkI not MkIII(introduced 1907) - evidence would be the right hand most rifle in the left pile (as we look) appears to show the early rear sight protectors where the protective "wings" were integral to the handguard. I will make a concerted effort to find original this evening. Chris Yes, they are SMLEs, the muzzle is distinctive for both marks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 12 September , 2011 Author Share Posted 12 September , 2011 The build-up of evidence seems to put this group firmly 1905-1910, do we think? Or are they MI section in kilts?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 12 September , 2011 Share Posted 12 September , 2011 The build-up of evidence seems to put this group firmly 1905-1910, do we think? Or are they MI section in kilts?! Yes, I think 1905-1910. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Upton Posted 12 September , 2011 Share Posted 12 September , 2011 I will confirm when I find orig. but looking at this picture on a small monitor (enough caveats there? ) - I think they are indeed SMLEs although I think they are MkI not MkIII(introduced 1907) - evidence would be the right hand most rifle in the left pile (as we look) appears to show the early rear sight protectors where the protective "wings" were integral to the handguard. I will make a concerted effort to find original this evening. I think they might be Long Lees Chris - that was my first thought looking at the pile on the viewers left, and though it's blurry when blown up it looks like they have the exposed barrel at the muzzle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 12 September , 2011 Author Share Posted 12 September , 2011 yes, that is what was bothering me ..... also rifle far right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 12 September , 2011 Share Posted 12 September , 2011 yes, that is what was bothering me ..... also rifle far right. Right - when I get home I will have a proper look. In the midst or renovation/reorganisation so..... I simply cannot tell looking on here. It is possible that there is a mix of rifle types (this is to be seen on quite a few early war pictures) but I will see if I can resolve it in this instance by finding and rescanning the original. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 12 September , 2011 Author Share Posted 12 September , 2011 Right - when I get home I will have a proper look. In the midst or renovation/reorganisation so..... I simply cannot tell looking on here. It is possible that there is a mix of rifle types (this is to be seen on quite a few early war pictures) but I will see if I can resolve it in this instance by finding and rescanning the original. Chris Bed time said Zebidee! Thanks very much, good luck with the re. and the re. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 12 September , 2011 Share Posted 12 September , 2011 If there is an exposed muzzle then it is a Long Lee, but going from the resolution of the image shown they look like SMLEs to my eyesight, but if someone can produce a larger image let's see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 12 September , 2011 Share Posted 12 September , 2011 All right after a frantic search: Found it. It is in poor condition and faded but I rescanned and I believe I am sticking with my original ID of MkI SMLEs I do not see any exposed muzzles and I do see other relatively clear indicators that they are SMLEs I think. see below I believe what was being looked at on the right-most rifle was the light shining off the UNDERSIDE of the weapon creating the effect but I think it is an SMLE. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Upton Posted 12 September , 2011 Share Posted 12 September , 2011 I believe what was being looked at on the right-most rifle was the light shining off the UNDERSIDE of the weapon creating the effect but I think it is an SMLE. You're quite right Chris, in the better close up I can it was just a trick of the light, SMLE's all round... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 12 September , 2011 Share Posted 12 September , 2011 In my frantic searching I found a couple more pictures which may be of interest: 2 more Seaforths in Trews with KD tunics (tailored skirts) and a rather nice KD uniform study. I think these are both from India but I cannot be 100% certain. Chris EDIT: Shoulder title on the second picture is RFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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