squirrel Posted 17 September , 2011 Share Posted 17 September , 2011 And a poor job the Officer seated in the right hand chair has made of tying his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 18 September , 2011 Author Share Posted 18 September , 2011 good to have a date, thank you. I am as certain as makes no difference that India/Burma were as one for administration of kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 20 September , 2011 Share Posted 20 September , 2011 I do not yet have this in hand as I only just purchased it, but this is apparently the Middlesex Rgt (TF Bn) in India (presumbaly 1/9th or 1/10th Bn). Question - what sort of jackets are they wearing? I do not have the picture yet and cannot rescan until it arrives. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 20 September , 2011 Author Share Posted 20 September , 2011 I do not yet have this in hand as I only just purchased it, but this is apparently the Middlesex Rgt (TF Bn) in India (presumbaly 1/9th or 1/10th Bn). Question - what sort of jackets are they wearing? I do not have the picture yet and cannot rescan until it arrives. Chris Economy? never seen the like. Hip pockets ....... rank badges, shoulder titles and medal ribbon attached thereto .......... Captain Mannering on officer's right. So he DID serve! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 27 September , 2011 Share Posted 27 September , 2011 I now have the picture in hand so here is a better scan. Lots of badges and insignia for you. I would be interested in knowing what sort of jacket these are. The Sgt with the medal ribbon seems to be wearing a standard KD and the officer a more of less standard officers' variant. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATNOMIS Posted 27 September , 2011 Share Posted 27 September , 2011 I now have the picture in hand so here is a better scan. Lots of badges and insignia for you. I would be interested in knowing what sort of jacket these are. The Sgt with the medal ribbon seems to be wearing a standard KD and the officer a more of less standard officers' variant. Chris Chris Looks like a Signals Platoon. Crossed flags on upper shoulder and on OR's left fore arm. I'm not sure on medal. Looks like this picture was taken yesterday. Fantastic. Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 27 September , 2011 Author Share Posted 27 September , 2011 Beautiful. I reckon signals section: sgt, cpl assistant instructor, some qualified men. I can only think the frock is either an economy measure, or a regimentally purchased working dress. Never seen before! Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broad Posted 27 September , 2011 Share Posted 27 September , 2011 Is this photo any use to your post? Color Sgt Frederick Dye Northants Might not be the rigth time line though. I have one of India in 1908 if it is any use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 27 September , 2011 Author Share Posted 27 September , 2011 Is this photo any use to your post? Color Sgt Frederick Dye Northants Might not be the rigth time line though. I have one of India in 1908 if it is any use thank you. India dateable 1908: precious!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broad Posted 27 September , 2011 Share Posted 27 September , 2011 Doh....... Having problems down sizing the photo and was unable to message you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 27 September , 2011 Share Posted 27 September , 2011 (edited) On 27/09/2011 at 10:03, GRUMPY said: Beautiful. I reckon signals section: sgt, cpl assistant instructor, some qualified men. I can only think the frock is either an economy measure, or a regimentally purchased working dress. Never seen before! Thank you. I think it 'might' be a Frock, Utility, Khaki Drill. I was issued something very similar with just lower patch pockets (albeit many years later!) that was labelled Jacket, Overall, Olive Drill and I was told that it was based on an older garment. We wore it in drill order only with matching trousers. There were different patterns of KD depending on whether Indian Army [establishment] issue, or British issue. Edited 6 June , 2022 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 28 September , 2011 Share Posted 28 September , 2011 I think it 'might' be a Frock, Utility, Khaki Drill. I was issued something very similar with just lower patch pockets (albeit many years later!) that was labelled Frock, Utility, Olive Drill and I was told that it was based on an older garment. We wore it in drill order only with matching trousers. I think that the ancestry of your garment would more likely be the working clothes/coveralls/fatigue dress that one often sees in period pictures which appear to be made of a light coloured cotton or sometimes looks like linen. I agree there is a similarity (particularly on the small appearance of the buttons - presumably removable for laundering)but I am not sure they are the same garment. I have never seen insignia on these fatigue coveralls. See below (NOT as far as I know in India) Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 28 September , 2011 Share Posted 28 September , 2011 I think that the ancestry of your garment would more likely be the working clothes/coveralls/fatigue dress that one often sees in period pictures which appear to be made of a light coloured cotton or sometimes looks like linen. I agree there is a similarity (particularly on the small appearance of the buttons - presumably removable for laundering)but I am not sure they are the same garment. I have never seen insignia on these fatigue coveralls. See below (NOT as far as I know in India) Chris Chris, you are correct that we wore the uniform concerned for some similar purposes to the garment you have posted, but ours was less sack like and more fitted, with basic darts for a little shaping, and badges of rank were worn on the upper arms, albeit sometimes by means of a brassard. It looked not unlike the KD frocks shown, except that there were no buttons on the flaps of the lower pockets. It is for these reasons that I mentioned the clear similarity. It was worn predominantly as an undress parade uniform with peaked forage caps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 28 September , 2011 Author Share Posted 28 September , 2011 Broadsword asked me to up this! Fascinating. After Brodrick, before 1915. CSgt seated left has wangled full colour badge on frock [tunic only except India, so is it India]. Back ground veg. appears in many India/Burmah shots. CSgt Cuffs wrong for India and no front piping. Is he fresh out from Home, wearing Home Service frock then? Either way he is best shot Sgts and above, and best shot in his company. Distance-judging star on man behind him QSA KSA medals abound? Armourer staff-sergeant seated centre. India-pattern SNCO frock far right, crows foot cuffs. 2 sgts standing centre may also be from Home? See cuffs etc. One Home Service seven button frock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 29 September , 2011 Share Posted 29 September , 2011 Broadsword asked me to up this! Fascinating. After Brodrick, before 1915. CSgt seated left has wangled full colour badge on frock [tunic only except India, so is it India]. Back ground veg. appears in many India/Burmah shots. CSgt Cuffs wrong for India and no front piping. Is he fresh out from Home, wearing Home Service frock then? Either way he is best shot Sgts and above, and best shot in his company. Distance-judging star on man behind him QSA KSA medals abound? Armourer staff-sergeant seated centre. India-pattern SNCO frock far right, crows foot cuffs. 2 sgts standing centre may also be from Home? See cuffs etc. One Home Service seven button frock. Absolutely brilliant photo Grumpy. It just goes to show what a mix of uniforms and (perhaps) flouting of regulations can occur in an Army spread across the globe. Any chance of a larger scan via email? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broad Posted 29 September , 2011 Share Posted 29 September , 2011 Absolutely brilliant photo Grumpy. It just goes to show what a mix of uniforms and (perhaps) flouting of regulations can occur in an Army spread across the globe. Any chance of a larger scan via email? Frogsmile, PM me your e-mail address and I will send it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 12 October , 2011 Share Posted 12 October , 2011 The medals will be a combination of: India General Service 95 with Clasps from Tirah 1897, Punjab Frontier 1897-98 and majority with Samana 1897 (1st Bn.). QSA with generally 3 or 4 clasps (Belmont, OFS, Transvaal, plus 3/4 with Modder River)unless attached for Mounted Infantry duty, plus KSA with 1901 & 1902 clasps where appropriate (2nd Bn.) or a small number with IGS 95 and QSA combination where a draft went from India (1st Bn.) to South Africa (2nd) in 1900. Nice photo Broad. you have my e-mail (hint....) Which one is Frederick Dye by the way? Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Snaffles Posted 25 January , 2012 Share Posted 25 January , 2012 Royal Dublin Fusiliers showing diamond shaped flash on side of Wolseley helmet and shoulder titles but no collar badges. Do folks know what color of this flash on the Woolsey helmet would have been for the RDF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 25 January , 2012 Share Posted 25 January , 2012 Do folks know what color of this flash on the Woolsey helmet would have been for the RDF? I believe it was upper half blue and lower half green. Frogsmile, PM me your e-mail address and I will send it Thank you. PM sent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Snaffles Posted 25 January , 2012 Share Posted 25 January , 2012 I believe it was upper half blue and lower half green. Thank you. PM sent. Thanks for the information. Makes sense, following the pattern of the shako hackle. Anyone have a color image of an original that they could share? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon2 Posted 25 January , 2012 Share Posted 25 January , 2012 A & SH India 1910. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thorne Posted 26 January , 2012 Share Posted 26 January , 2012 Just got this - thought you might be interested as it has some detail and I think is relevant. It is part of F Coy 1/4th border Regiment taken in Maymyo (Burma/Myanmar) in 1915 so I think it might fall under the Indian Army at that point? Points of interest: Long Lees - although I cannot determine if the are CLLE or not with P1888 bayonets. Shirt Sleeves/Shorts as opposed to KD. Only KD appears to be the Senior Officer. Lieut (seated) appears to have pips stitched to his upper shirt sleeve which I have not seen before. Chris Chris, I believe they are charger loaders. The distinctive CLLE front sight guards are clearly visible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomcatPC Posted 26 January , 2012 Share Posted 26 January , 2012 Hello I have not seen this entire topic thread yet, but I'm really enjoying going through this one. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 26 January , 2012 Author Share Posted 26 January , 2012 A & SH India 1910. Thank you, that fills a big gap very well. May we have a close-up of each cuff to see stitching ....... is it a V shape or straight across? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon2 Posted 26 January , 2012 Share Posted 26 January , 2012 Thank you, that fills a big gap very well. May we have a close-up of each cuff to see stitching ....... is it a V shape or straight across? I've done a closer image if it's still not clearer I'll redo it. It looks straight across to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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