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Barbara -

Can I mention these five men please - all died in the war

Capt Alfred Squire Taylor (attached 10/11 HLI)

Captain Robert Henry Wilson (attached 84th RFA)

Lt Walter Tennyson McCurry

Lt Bertram Chiene Letts (13th Casualty Clearing Station)

Capt Alfred Maurice Thomson (7th Royal Sussex Regt)

Happy to let you have all the details I have, if you're interested. Do you have any thing about any of them?

Thanks

Alan

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Barbara

You are probably already aware of it but the history of the 2/2 City of London Field Ambulance has a comprehensive list of those who served with it at pp. 100-112.

http://www.openlibrary.org/details/seconds...dsinf00greaiala

(Just click on the right or left page to move back and forward)

Regards

Mel

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Barbara -

Can I mention these five men please - all died in the war

Capt Alfred Squire Taylor (attached 10/11 HLI)

Captain Robert Henry Wilson (attached 84th RFA)

Lt Walter Tennyson McCurry

Lt Bertram Chiene Letts (13th Casualty Clearing Station)

Capt Alfred Maurice Thomson (7th Royal Sussex Regt)

Happy to let you have all the details I have, if you're interested. Do you have any thing about any of them?

Thanks

Alan

Hi Alan

Just checked and I have them all listed. I have Capt Wilson down as serving with the 34th Bde RFA though, so will need to look into that more. I was in Ramparts Cemetery last week so probably have a photo of Lt McCurry's headstone, I haven't had a chance to sort through my photos yet.

They are not on my database yet so I will look and see if I can find anymore info on them and come back to you. Anything you have will be greatfully received but I'll let you know what I can find first if you like.

Thanks

Barbara

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Dave

Thank you so much for posting the newspaper articles. I will download and store them for when the website is ready. Just one thing, the first post is a bit blurry and I can't make out the surname of the Lance Cpl, can you confirm his surname?

Many thanks

Barbara

(This is excellent. I knew it was a good idea to do a database, I just knew it :D )

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Mel

Thanks for the link to the book The Second-Seconds in France. I didn't know it was on-line but I have seen it and I have a copy of a 1930s list of members from the Old Comrades' Association. I really appreciate you posting the link though.

Barbara

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Barbara - regarding Wilson, CWGC lists him as 84th RFA, and SDGW 34th RFA, so the confusion is understandable!

Now I could be talking nonsense here but working on the basis that the RFA designation matches their brigade, this means he was either in the 11th Divison (34th) or 28th Divison (84th).

The 34th were part of the 11th Division who were on the Western Front through 1916 and 1917, and the 28th were in Salonika from November 1915 till the end of the war. Wilson died in May 1917 and is buried in Etaples, so I reckon that suggests the 34th is correct. Happy to hold my hands up if this logic is wrong!

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If you'd care to PM me your email address, I'll send you what I have on the five men. And would very much like to see what you have, when you have a moment to put it together.

Regards

Alan

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Wow, thanks Mel. I haven't seen this book, just skimmed through and seen RAMC men in the first few pages. It is now in my list of 'Bookmarks'.

Thank you so much

Barbara

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Hello Barbara,

I hope the following 'Roll of Honour' is of use. These men previously worked at the Public Dispensary on North Street in Leeds. The majority survived the war.

ROLL OF HONOUR

Members of the Board and Staff serving or having served With His Majesty’s Forces.

LIEUT.-COLONEL T. WARDROP GRIFFITH, C.M.G., R.A.M.C.

LIEUT.-COLONEL [TEMP] R.A. VEALE, R.A.M.C.

LIEUT.-COLONEL W. McGREGOR YOUNG, R.A.M.C.

MAJOR J.A. COUPLAND, R.A.M.C.

MAJOR C.W. VINING, R.A.M.C.

CAPT. J. Le F. BURROW, R.A.M.C.

CAPT. ALFRED GOUGH, R.A.M.C.

CAPT. HARRY LEE, R.A.M.C.

CAPT. C. MARSHALL, R.A.M.C.

CAPT. ROBERT C. MUIR, R.A.M.C.

CAPT. ALFRED RICHARDSON, R.A.M.C.

CAPT. DOUGLAS SEATON, R.A.M.C.

CAPT. J. GORDON SHARP, R.A.M.C. [DIED]

DENTAL STAFF

CAPT. H.R. BENTLEY, R.A.M.C.

CAPT. C. HOLLAND CHILD, O.B.E., R.A.M.C.

CAPT. J.H. LEGGE, M.C., R.A.M.C.

CAPT. H.A. MOHONY, R.A.M.C.

CAPT. Jas. W. MAWER, R.A.M.C.

LIEUT. J. KENNETH CRAWFORD, R.A.M.C

DENTAL MECHANICS

PRIVATE E.N. ANDERSON, R.A.M.C.

PRIVATE D.M. THORPE, R.A.M.C.

DENTAL STUDENTS

CAPT. E. BOTTOMLEY, R.A.M.C.

CAPT. A. FRASER, R.A.M.C.

CAPT. G.F. MUSSON, R.A.M.C.

CAPT. H.J. PROCTOR, R.A.M.C.

CAPT. H.P. SHOESMITH, R.A.M.C.

CAPT. J.G.W. SUTCLIFFE, R.A.M.C.

CAPT. F. SWIRE, R.A.M.C.

CAPT. R.B. TASKER, M.C., R.A.M.C.

LIEUT. J. CROSBY, R.A.M.C.

PRIVATE G. DILWORTH, R.A.M.C.

WEST RIDING FIELD AMBULANCE

LIEUT.-COLONEL FREDERICK WHALLEY, D.S.O. Commanding 1st West Riding Field Ambulance

MAJOR H.B. POPE, M.C. Croix de Guerre, French [Gold Star], West Riding Field Ambulance.

STAFF-SERGEANT C.F.J. MAURY, 1st West Riding Field Ambulance

Regards,

Dave

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Hi Dave

I have some of these men listed (maybe picked up on the Leeds Absent Voters List) but not all. Everything is of use, thanks very much for posting it.

Barbara

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Hi Barbara,

I'm sorry there's been a delay over the past month. I've only just returned to the Forum. The source for the recent post on the Leeds Dispensary is as follows:

The Annual Report of the Board of Leeds Public Dispensary [North Street] No. XCV. July 1st, 1918-June 30th, 1919. pp. 9-10.

My Mam and Dad remember being treated there when children in the Forties-neither are very complimentary to say the least, and my Dad recalls the use of a wire brush to treat a knee injury. Sounds painful!

Kind Regards,

Dave

PS: Your inbox is full.

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Hello Dave,

I have nothing to add to your last posting. I just wanted to say that it's good to have you back. The Forum hasn't been the same without your quality contributions and your gentlemanly courtesy.

Warm welcome,

Harry

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all these were killed when the royal edward was torpedoed,they are all from the east lancs field ambulance.

c.bonner.10 walker st,rhodes

r.bywater.821 ashton new rd,clayton

j.e carter.71 park ave,tonge,bolton

h.davidson.52 albert rd,retford

w.d hay.8 windsor rd,levenshulme,m/c

t.mcloughlin.20 rex st,hulme,m/c

j.nuttall.buxton rd,furness vale,nr stockport

s.ridings.5 st.mary st,preston

a.shepherd.77 deeplish rd,rochdale

e. simpson.9 hazel grove,longsight,m/c

f.stockdale.20 richard st,newtown,retford

f.h walker.buxton rd,furness vale,nr stockport

f.whalley.16 milton st,padiham

h.turner.11 wingate rd,heaton chapel,stockport

t.alcock.21 godley st,burnley

a.g altham,28 cromwell st,burnley

l.barnard.dockham rd,cinderford,gloucester

w.hawkes.137 upper brook st,chorlton on medlock.m/c

h johnson.3 darwen st,padiham

a.knowles.32 king st burnley

a.moore.58 baron terrace,burnley

l.mosley.20 landsdown rd,burnley

j.munro.5 taylor st,burnley

f.rawstron.60 olympia st,burnley

l.starkie.11 francis st,burnley

w.stephenson.7 water st,hapton

f.wilkinson.33 leaver st,burnley

h.wiseman.195 barden lane,burnley

e.worswick.6 quarry st,padiham

capt charles,bertram marshall.MD

east lancs field ambulance

youngest son of mr william marshal of cheadle hulme

age 27

educated,manchester grammar school

took his medical course at manchester university,obtaining the MB,Ch.B in 1909,in 1911 he gained a degree in public health and in 1913,a degree of MD

he held appointments as demonstrator in anatomy at m/c university and house physician+surgeon at pendlebury childrens hospital,manchester royal infirmary,manchester consumption hospital,ancoats hospital and the royal infirmary bradford

while at bradford infirmary,he gained a commission,with a view to going out to the front as a surgeon.

he had been engaged in the training of ambulance men in various parts of the country

since june,hes acted as CO of the 2/3rd field ambulance.

bernard

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Dave

Thanks for posting the source, no worries on the delay just hope that you are ok.

Thanks also for reminding me about my inbox, I noticed it was full the other day but got distracted and forgot to empty(a bit like my brain these days)

Cheers

Barbara

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Bernard

Thanks for posting the list of men from the East Lancs Field Ambulance. I do have them recorded but have just cross referenced a couple and do not have any of the addresses. Thanks also for additional info on Capt Marshall. It is really helpful and I know of others who will be interested in the additional info on the list.

My old website is down now but the new one should be up and running in the next few days, when it is I will add these men to it.

Cheers

Barbara

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these are all from the moss side area of manchester.

pte 39843 albert walker.134 beresford rd.

pte 357244 patrick.joseph coburn.179 broadfield rd.

pte 354303 william turpie.148 broadfield rd.2/3rd east lancs.field amb

pte 352393 leslie orrett.146 broadfield rd.

sgt 357061 thomas,wood glover.166 caythorpe st.

pte 357054 harold land.126 caythorpe st.

pte 354029 frederick price.116 caythorpe st.

pte 357019 john bill.127 cowesby st.

sgt 20708 william smith.129 cowesby st.

pte 350642 thomas parker.128 cowesby st.

pte 69224 william,henry lea.60 cranswick st.

pte 357488 james,william bowen.105 crondall st.

pte 357363 walter,william box.5 hardman st

sgt/major 350002 wilfred jarman.17 hardman st

act/cpl 110784 arthur,evans cottrill.92 hartington st.

pte 354351 william jones.78 roseberry st.

pte 143149 charles,wood lea.55 bath st.

pte 115831 thomas bristow.10 bath st.

pte 20683 walker taylor.109 boston st.

pte 75044 james taylor 109 boston st.

pte 9309 j.isaac,alfred hancock.115 boston st.

Lt frederick,alexander morrison.117 boston st.

pte 105488 albert davenport.78 boston st.

pte 105487 harry davenport.78 boston st.

cpl 5896 t brindley.30 bradshaw st.[POW]

cpl 350154 thomas maloney.55 bristol st.

pte 1189 james,robert bond.81 bristol st,7th manchesters,RAMC,[POW]

pte edward bond.81 bristol st.

pte 350492 h.edward smith.7 church view.

pte 139479 edward,thomas thorburn.19 craven st.

pte 354311 cyril barrett.9 craven st,1/3rd east lancs.field amb.

bernard

compliments of the manchester regt forum

is this what you want for your database barbara

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thomas hayhurst.

son of mr j.a hayhurst,mayfield,fulwood,preston

age 26

recently married before he died.

educated king william college,isle of man.

edinburgh university 1905-1911 student of medicine,first XV rugby and athletics.

M.B,Ch.B 1911

OTC for one year.

LT.RAMC aug 1915,captain march 1915.

2/1st east lancs field ambulance.

drowned 14-8-15 on the royal edward.

served at the victoria hospital,burnley and senior house surgeon at pendlebury childrens hospital.

played rugby for preston grasshoppers

theres a picture of him in the edinburgh university roll of honour

sorry i cant post it,my scanners knackered

bernard

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all from the moss side area of manchester.

pte 350251 arthur,thomas allen.139 bishop st.1/1st east lancs field amb.

pte 357490 harold staunton.95 heywood st

pte 139386 harry barker.119 hulton st,19th coy.

pte 357449 george,benjamin barber.114 hulton st,56th field amb

pte 129263 arthur nichols.7 railton ave.7th battalion

pte 128565 george,albert robinson.117 talbot st,3rd training battalion.

L/cpl 352156 vernon hinson.holmfield,withington rd.1/2nd east lancs field amb.

pte 354368 john,patrick boyle.91 bishop st,2/2nd east lancs field amb.

pte 354359 hugh boyle.91 bishop st.

cpl 357479 harold,gwynfa davies.64 bishop st.

pte 110261 leonard withington.38 bishop st,3rd gen hospital.

pte 122460 henry caswell.5a bland st,CCS eastleigh

pte 143675 william silverwood.20 bland st.

pte 354201 william,howard herring.89 heywood st.2/3rd east lancs field amb.

pte350254 william,albert ramsden.36 heywood st.2/1st east lancs field amb.

pte 353464 john standring.30 heywood st.2/2nd ELFA.

pte 350142 alfred pikesley.18 heywood st,1/1st ELFA

pte 115099 percy farley.27 hulton st.

pte 352155 george,herbert griffiths.33 hulton st.

pte 20222 ernest bradshaw.8 hulton st.26th ambulance train.

pte 357029 john,edward harker.11 raby st,3rd malta coy

pte 357114 walter,percival green,82 sloane st.

pte 354477 ralph,reynold appleton.60 sloane st,2/3rd ELFA.

pte arthur lewis 42 sloane st,44th field amb.

pte 354479 sydney,thomas hearn.22 sloane st.2/3rd ELFA

pte 76502 frank fenton.81 talbot st.48th field amb.

sgt george vernon.62 talbot st.

cpl 354053 francis,edward upton.4 talbot st.1/3rd.ELFA.

pte 354405 james,william lintoll.21 withington rd.,147th field amb.

pte 357509 george willan.12 withington rd.

L/cpl 536369 vernon,burgoyne roberts.93 alexander rd.

bernard

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more from moss side manchester.

pte 356064 arthur carter.50 crosscliffe st.

pte 354398 frederick deakin.24 crosscliffe st.

act/sgt 350148 joseph duffy.6 crosscliffe st.147th field amb.

pte 350323 herbert penkethman.49 darncombe st,15th gen hospital.

sgt 352042 george,henry,herbert reynolds.122 dorset st.

pte 106088 arthur,edward luke 5 george st,14th field amb.

pte 350060 ivan,albert hodges.41 george st.

L/cpl 111277 william,james perrin.18 george st.

act/sgt 9311 john,william davies.10 henderson grove,19th stationary hospital

thomas aspinall.148 moss lane east

pte 354243 george,william parkinson.7 pinder st,2/3rd ELFA

pte 116597 reginald porter.43 pinder st.

pte 350171 james,bishop fraser.26 pinder st.

pte 354486 harold skerritt.7 platt st.

pte 139564 eric sword.9 platt st.3rd training battalion.

135632 alfred astley.17 platt st.

pte 352569 reginald bromley.33 platt st.

sgt 357200 fred withington.15 wellington st.

354383 walter huntington[jnr] 53 wellington st.

sgt/major 350004 christopher bonchill.106 wellington st.

pte 124764 joseph,bibby burn.47 beresford st.

pte 127505 harry,walla groom.32 beresford st

pte 352169 harry maddox.33 caythorpe st.1/nd.ELFA

pte 95675 harold haynes.60 caythorpe st

pte 357549 joseph thorlby.53 cowersby st.

pte 116598 arnold.charles brett.40 crondall st.19th coy at chester.

pte 357137 leonard,charles mills.19 hartington st.3rd malta coy.

robert,jackson nelson.155 princess st,VAD hospital,huntingdon???may be a patient

sgt 35.albert mcphail.25 roseberry st

pte 57484 thomas mchale.83 beresford st.

act/cpl 356047 horace,victor wilkins.138 beresford st.

bernard

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compliments of the manchester regt forum

is this what you want for your database barbara

Bernard

This information is fantastic. I came up with the idea of a database to help people trace information on their relatives. I'm sure you are aware that there were thousands of RAMC personnel serving and that they were attached to Divisions, as well as serving in CCSs, hospital ships and hospitals etc, so any information that seperates, for example, one William Brown RAMC from another William Brown RAMC is really really helpful.

When I know what I am doing I will add a link to the manchester regt forum.

Barbara

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Thanks also for additional info on Capt Marshall.

Barbara

Charles Marshall is one of my original researchees. I am just waiting for a revised biography to be uploaded to my website (along with the biographies of another 16 RAMC fatalities from the Stockport area) but here's the advanced copy:-

"Charles Marshall had been born on 13 October 1888 in Nottinghamshire. His parents, William and Sarah, lived at Greenwood Lee, The Park, Cheadle Hulme. William Marshall was employed as the Public Analyst for the Borough of Hyde and had his laboratory on Ladybrook Road. Charles had studied medicine at Manchester University and, after qualifying, worked as house surgeon at Bradford Royal Infirmary. For four years, he had been engaged to a Miss Hook, who was also training to be a doctor at Guys Hospital, London.

Charles’ unit should not be confused with the modern usage of the word “ambulance”. A Field Ambulance in the Great War was usually based only a few hundred yards behind the front line. It dressed wounds and carried out some emergency operations, before passing wounded soldiers further to the rear. Charles’ Ambulance had been formed in Manchester and was attached to 42 Division (which included the Manchester Regiment Territorial battalions) at Gallipoli.

At the time of his death, he was aboard the troopship HMS “Royal Edward”. The ship had arrived off Alexandria in Egypt on 10 August, setting sail for Mudros on the 13th, taking replacement troops to Gallipoli. The German submarine, UB14, spotted her at about 9 a.m. on 13th when she was about 400 miles north of Alexandria and around 7 miles west of Kandeliusa Island. She fired off one torpedo which struck the Royal Edward in the stern. Within 3 minutes she began to settle by the stern and in another 3 her bows were in the air. Charles Marshall’s body was never recovered and identified and it is presumed he drowned.

Later a Lieutenant Wilson wrote to his father “They struck a mine coming from Alexandria and spent 3 or 4 hours in the water, before being picked up by a hospital ship and a destroyer. Am much afraid that Marshall who was with them went down with the ship. After seeing all his men off the ship and encouraging them, he was last seen leaning on the rail of Captain’s bridge, looking down quite calmly at them. He was so very tough and so much at home in the water, that we have not lost hope that he was picked up by some other vessel. It was very characteristic of him to get all the men off in the way he did and then to stem any panic among them by calmly standing about the bridge. It helped them a lot because several men have told me that after seeing him so calm they were led to look on the whole thing as more or less of a joke. He would fight for his life like a fiend when he got in the water.”

Lieutenant F B Smith of the Ambulance wrote in a letter home. “Of the 50 men of our Ambulance, only 3 are lost. I have not told you what a corporal of our section has told me, that he saw Capt. Marshall, long after he himself was in the water, still on the highest deck with the captain of the ship, revolver in hand, encouraging and controlling the men. He had no need to use his weapon because discipline was splendid. The men knew his worth and not one but has spoken to me sadly of our loss. Such a cool courageous “sticking to duty” was characteristic of the man he was.”

Also aboard was another local man, Harry Turner, also on his way to Gallipoli with a Field Ambulance unit. "

John

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Bernard

This information is fantastic. I came up with the idea of a database to help people trace information on their relatives. I'm sure you are aware that there were thousands of RAMC personnel serving and that they were attached to Divisions, as well as serving in CCSs, hospital ships and hospitals etc, so any information that seperates, for example, one William Brown RAMC from another William Brown RAMC is really really helpful.

When I know what I am doing I will add a link to the manchester regt forum.

Barbara

theres plenty more barbara,i have 5 of the 10 absent voters registers for manchester,and they are packed with RAMC men.

heres another batch for you.all from moss side,manchester

pte 196631 joseph conway.45 bold st.

pte 132101 james,henry kirkham 42 darncombe st.

pte 130776 benjamin harvey 28 darncombe st,7th coy.

pte 354023 george simcock.4 darncombe st,1/3rd ELFA.

sgt/major 20526 william,abraham grenwood,4 lingard st.

pte 127399 arthur,james,hume chadwick.35 meadow st.

pte 94420 thomas cain.83 meadow st.

pte 354372 albert day.126 meadow st.

pte 352034 ernest beresford.48 meadow st.

sgt 27313 harry clarke.24 meadow st.

pte 352559 thomas brookes.16 meadow st.

pte 122808.herbert shaw.71 sewerby st.

pte 356032 edgar,thomas jones 115 sewerby st.64th CCS

pte 354498 alfred mcnulty.128 sewerby st.

pte 124062 albert hanson.80 sewerby st.attatched to the school of instruction,zeilown

pte 57846 john,cecil barber.12 sewerby st.142nd field amb.

pte 350478 henry edmunds.37 stockton st.2/1st,ELFA

pte 77774 george,bradshaw nixon.52 stockton st.30th coy.

pte 101910 thomas,henry crampton.14 stockton st,dar-es-salaam detatchment.

staff/sgt 357005 john wilkinson.stockton st.29th general hospital.

pte 352752 george yeomans.72 bickley st,37th field amb

pte george william knowles,58 bickley st,316th field amb.

cpl 356003 william hevicon[possibly helicon]36 bickley st.64th CCS.

pte 350357 john,edmund leaver.34 bickley st,1/1st ELFA.

pte 350521 robert,bridge monkhouse,13 bradshaw st,north of ireland command depot.

pte 357402 herbert butler 25 bradshaw st,6th general hospital.

pte 22818 henry cooper.33 bradshaw st.

pte 354117 alexander wark.75 crosscliffe st.2/1st ELFA.

pte 20185 arthur carter.85 crosscliffe st.

pte 129721 george atkinson.134 crosscliffe st.

pte 354200 herbert bryden 116 crosscliffe st.2/3rd ELFA.

barbara,i dont know how many RAMC men there are in the registers that i have,but its definately going to be several hundred,possibly a couple of thousand by the time i have the full set of manchester AVLs,i will post them as often as i can for you,i have to help maintain our manchester forum,which takes up a bit of my time,but i will try my best to post a full page daily,if thats ok.

you will need to check the details of these men,some may have transcription errors,i have posted exactly what it says in the register

bernard :D

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all from hulme in manchester.

pte 37002 john jones.31 pownall st,324th field amb

pte 354471 james thompson.59 pownall st,2nd western gen hospital.manchester

pte 18407 john farrell.50 pownall st,1/3rd ELFA.

pte 85012 john,henry hassall 10 pownall st,A.COY,depot.

pte 143539 william,thomas stanley 21 stamford st.

pte 126247 william taylor.28 stamford st.

pte 352522 stanley fisk.73 stretford rd.1/1st ELFA.

pte 116307 thomas richie.28 vine st.

capt charles,henry stennett redmond.2 vine st.

sgt 382074 frank mayor 48 warde st.

driver T4/247613 thomas,henry o.brien.32 warde st,542nd coy,RAMC

pte 354469 john brown.1 atholl st,1/1st ELFA.

act/cpl 38084 william,arthur kingshotte,36 boundary st,36th CCS.

pte 350008 william adcock.18 boundary st.

driver 4/247619 joseph,henry battom.12 middlewood st.

pte 67350 james oram.6 rosamond terrace.

pte 3845 william hewitt.30 ruby st,46th field amb.

pte 136979 thomas,webster partington.10 ruby st,35th coy.

sgt 354045 john williams 32 sheffield st.

pte 350112 harold,jordan fizwilliam,57 upper medlock st.1/1st field amb.

pte thomas seery.25 clarendon st.

pte 350400 joseph,gathorne stansfield.6 clarendon st.

pte 115099 percy farley.29 halton st

pte 358514 samuel saunderson.9 newcastle st.

pte 142838 frederick,william welch.45 newcastle st

pte 242838 frederick,william welch.48 newcastle st[number wrongly transcribed,same man as above]

pte 358514 samuel saunderson.9 robinson st[also 9 newcastle st,as above]

pte 354036 william heywood.11 robinson st.

pte 13385 john baker 13 stretford st.

pte 143218 frederick fisher 70 devonshire st.

cpl 20196 william,john wright [jnr] 68 devonshire st

pte 350109 harold,victor wright 68 devonshire st,1/1st ELFA.

bernard

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