AndyBsk Posted 13 February , 2023 Share Posted 13 February , 2023 Nice one S98/05aAS, as mentioned before the unit is not complete, could be done even by III.Army or its a badly striked II.twice, the 6 should be measured for size, as there is difference between weapon nr. font and company font, as this unit looks like prewar stamped. Could be III.independent Batallion too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 6 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 6 March , 2023 Bayonet #92. 2/05/23 S.98nAS. Sawback Spine. Crown/W/07. Crown/B ( script). Maker. Simson & Co. suhl. Unit. None good sawback, does have minor pitting cleaned up. Saw portion in as unused condition. Overall, minor nicks and all, would say Average + The main thing on this piece is the Steel Ersatz Scabbard. This is the FAG. Made type , which, as far as I can find, was only made for the broader SAWBACKS, and none were made for the slim quillback. Bayonets. FAG made many steel scabbards for other, shorter bayonets, usually Ersatz type The two things that stand out are that FAG Co. seems to be the only steel scabbards that I have seen that are even marked with a maker. The biggest thing is the FLANGE running all way around. Simply- two halves pressed together, these shells have a flange around outside, one side is wider, when pressed together, the larger flange is pressed around the other and clamped down tight, most likely when heated. The first half has the final already made.These are not Rare, but scarce to very scarce . The flange is smooth finished on both sides from the making. There is another variation where the flange on the “ outside” half of flange where was clamped down has a “pie crust” ( American term) similar to long demples while other side remains smooth This scabbard , two acceptance stamps has a lot of the original paint, to me looks like has two old layers of paint where could have been black orig. then repainted green, just my guess. The throat piece looks different to me. Where most throat pieces. With throat screw in. The throat FACE/ top portion actually sticks out broader by 1-2 mm around the chape. This one is clearly narrower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 6 March , 2023 Share Posted 6 March , 2023 Looks like a nice set, mainly the scabbard, possible the blued surface was painted over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 13 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 13 March , 2023 (edited) Bayonet #93. 3/13/23 S.98nAS. Sawback Spine. Crown/W/ 09 Crown/C Maker. Simson & Co. Suhl Unit. None Bsyonet very good, sawback as unused/excellent, nice grips and screws/washers marked, stamp lower front guard, no see stamps on pommel, could be worn off. No pitting or rust anywhere. Besides being an excellent saw blade, the main thing here is the scabbard. The last bayonet (# 92) showing a FAG produced Ersatz steel scabbard with the unique flange design. I mentioned a rare variation with one side dempled/ cookie cutter/ pie crust type pressing when both halves were clamped together. I sure I missed a few over the years, but I have only seen two of this variant for sale, last year and 3 months ago ( yes, I got both). Unlike #92, this scabbard has a normal throat/face piece. Scabbard has small dent, not effect anything, mostly patina, but a fair amount of black paint remaining, mostly up top where a frog would have protected it Edited 13 March , 2023 by Steve1871 Fix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 13 March , 2023 Share Posted 13 March , 2023 Nice S98nAS as previous, the date is probably 09 instead of 06, the letter could be other font C or by some font declared as T. I assume this press method stabilised the position of 2 half inside the scabbard, that could be not moved. On previous 92 scabbard it looks like on backside of scabbard near the ball is some large serial imprinted?? Do You saw it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 13 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 13 March , 2023 (edited) Yes Andy, it does look like it, no able get to my collection now. I am in state of Ohio, going to North Carolina state on East coast. My collection is in California. Will try to remember to look later Edited 13 March , 2023 by Steve1871 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 13 March , 2023 Share Posted 13 March , 2023 No problem Steve, i known You are on the road, maybe its only remains of a seller label or something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafal1971 Posted 13 March , 2023 Share Posted 13 March , 2023 Andy, Steve, If the bayonet cost $675, that looks like a mark on the price tag Best Raf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 27 March , 2023 Share Posted 27 March , 2023 On 13/02/2023 at 10:03, AndyBsk said: Nice one S98/05aAS, as mentioned before the unit is not complete, could be done even by III.Army or its a badly striked II.twice, the 6 should be measured for size, as there is difference between weapon nr. font and company font, as this unit looks like prewar stamped. Could be III.independent Batallion too. Well Roman numbers are used for Armee Korps, so yes, 3rd AK. Could be staff heardquarters issue? A nice one anyway - and I like that scabbard and frog! Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 27 March , 2023 Share Posted 27 March , 2023 On 06/03/2023 at 10:14, Steve1871 said: Bayonet #92. 2/05/23 S.98nAS. Sawback Spine. Crown/W/07. Crown/B ( script). Maker. Simson & Co. suhl. Unit. None good sawback, does have minor pitting cleaned up. Saw portion in as unused condition. Overall, minor nicks and all, would say Average + One of the best of the FAG series I have seen! They made a lot of Ersatz scabbards but I can't recall seeing a 98/05 one, but a pound to a penny says they did make these also. Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 27 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 27 March , 2023 Welcome back Julian, you must have been swamped in teaching lately. Must be very easy to do. I would not have the patience for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 31 March , 2023 Share Posted 31 March , 2023 (edited) On 27/03/2023 at 19:55, Steve1871 said: Welcome back Julian, you must have been swamped in teaching lately. Must be very easy to do. I would not have the patience for it. Thanks Steve! It has really been hellacious... I was promised a quiet semester by my HOD but the earthquake resulted in major changes to teaching hours and the curriculum to accomodate students directly affected by it, plus arranging the university to house people made hmeless by the earthquake... 1.6 million in all, and I think we have about 300-500... Anyway, now up to this one of yours, posted 27th, on Friday, 31st, so hopefully I'll be properly caught up with posts by the end of the weekend. Edited 31 March , 2023 by trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 31 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 31 March , 2023 Just take care of yourself and the two teen’s. They have to be a handful there Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 1 April , 2023 Share Posted 1 April , 2023 20 hours ago, Steve1871 said: Just take care of yourself and the two teen’s. They have to be a handful there Julian They are mate, they are... On the plus side, the younger one likes bayonets - well, the Swedish M.96's - but maybe I can train him up???!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 1 April , 2023 Author Share Posted 1 April , 2023 I think the P1888 & P1903 look better than the Swed! I have not gotten around to getting a Swed 96, but have the Naval M1915, extra long one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 3 April , 2023 Author Share Posted 3 April , 2023 Bayonet #94. 4/3/23 S.98nAS. Sawback Spine. Crown/W/07. Crown/B. Maker. Simson & Co. Suhl. Unit. 10.R.11.71. 10th Infantry Regiment 11th Komp Waffe 71 Blade and all metal very good,saw as unused.Grips dark and little beat. Crowned B stamp everywhere. spine,pommel,screws,washers,tang The Scabbard is the rare variation of the scarce F.AG. Steel scabbard like my last bayonet #93. This one has more black paint on it. The top. Face of throat piece could have a stamp, the paint covers most of it. Same “ pie crust” type uniform crimping marks on the flange. Only difference in the two scabbards is the stamping of The number 22 above the logo. The 3 dents on bottom of scabbard, matched on both sides do not effect the bayonet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 3 April , 2023 Share Posted 3 April , 2023 Nice piece, as visible the mouth area has not opening typical for sawback blades, is possible the scabbard was replaced in wartime to it, as no 22 on bayonet, it was probably serialed to S98nA bayonet. 10IR was the 1.schlessisches IR, also from west Poland now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 6 May , 2023 Author Share Posted 6 May , 2023 Sorry I been gone so long guy’s. My laptop crashed, kind of dropped it getting out of the truck. My digital library ( my collection) is on external hard drives, no think till yesterday to go to library for their computers to download a few to thumb drive to upload via phone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 6 May , 2023 Author Share Posted 6 May , 2023 Bayonet #95. 5/5/23 S.98nAS. Saw back spine. Crown/W/06. Maker. Erfurt. unit. None saw teeth are as unused, excellent crown/ B ( script) everywhere. All metal is silvery, turning patina, the blade and screws are little darker so think was cleaned up just a little? Scabbard shrunk about 3cm, but strait with staples and seam intact Scabbard has no unit as well. Scabbard stamps (3) throat and final are all same, but a different letter from bayonet, it must have been replacement, after all, it was a long war. Very common. Wish had unit but still an above average set with those nice teeth and grips with no rust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 6 May , 2023 Share Posted 6 May , 2023 Nice one Steve, i am still looking to get one sawback with flashguard!!! Regards, D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 6 May , 2023 Author Share Posted 6 May , 2023 Bayonet #96. 5/5/23 S.71. Standard Spine. Crown/W/75. Crown/? No read it. Maker. Coulaux & Co. Klingenthal. ( Former French providence taken by Germany in Franco Prussian War). unit. 120.R.16.34. 130th Inf. Regiment. 16 Kompanie Waffe 3; A large G in center of maker logo, do not know what it stands for. The Cross guard has crown/letter ( worn, no read) at lower face. Also has a number 23 on front side of guard, which is scarce. It is usually scarce to see a letter from maker of guard stamped there. No remember ever seeing a two digit number before. Sometimes the Tang will have a crown/ letter stamp. Less than 10% of the time. This one has two of them, each end. Blade very good, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 6 May , 2023 Author Share Posted 6 May , 2023 Good luck on an S.98S with flash guard, I never seen even an ad. For one for sale But you are the Magician, you find all the rare goodies, you have the best chance!! Hope you doing great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 6 May , 2023 Share Posted 6 May , 2023 Nice bayonet, the crown speaks for Wurttemberg Kingdom, same as the 120IR unit, the 16.company is very high number should be for later period, the sharpening of blade could be for mobilisation made on stone. The "french" Maker is near Wurttemberg area so no problem to explain it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 6 May , 2023 Author Share Posted 6 May , 2023 You know the Coulaux & Co. Andy, I have posted, I think 3 others and you were familiar with them, still kind is scarce, I forgot I.R. 120 was Wurttenberg, makes it even better, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 13 June , 2023 Author Share Posted 13 June , 2023 Bayonet # 97. 6/14/23 S.98/05aAS saw removed Not too much to say about this piece, an early aA ( tall ear), not transition piece, saw removed, believe the German order to remove saw teeth was in 1917? When the saw removed, they simply milled down the whole top of blade, also removing spine markings. Ricasso was also scrubbed. Still an interesting piece The markings on cross guard do not look like regular unit marking’s, odd stamps and no dot’s separating them, may be Weimar markings, even though not blued Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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