Cnock Posted 26 December , 2018 Share Posted 26 December , 2018 Flanders 1918, officers Alpenkorps after the fighting for the Kemmel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnock Posted 26 December , 2018 Share Posted 26 December , 2018 (edited) Detail cap badges Edited 26 December , 2018 by Cnock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnock Posted 26 December , 2018 Share Posted 26 December , 2018 Prussian recruits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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trajan Posted 26 December , 2018 Share Posted 26 December , 2018 On 24/12/2018 at 18:52, trajan said: On 24/12/2018 at 18:52, trajan said: On 24/12/2018 at 21:31, The Prussian said: ... I read: Minna Köhn Malzstraße (?) 17 Braunsberg O.P. (Ostpreußen - East Prussia) Well, I don´t write too much in this thread because it´s too fast and too large... One question, no response and another photo. Hi Andy, Thanks for the help, and yes, I'll try and be better behaved also! The sender is Viz.Feldwebel Fritz SCHIPPEL, 282 Western(?) POW 4 Camp, Park Hall, Oswestry. Barack nr.8 is chalked on the stone. There is something on the camp here: http://www.trefonen.org/german-prisoner-of-war-camp.html and here https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01qmrmr Data on an archaeological survey here: http://search.shropshirehistory.org.uk/collections/getrecord/CCS_MSA33171/ Quite a lot of other stuff as well! Can you identify the Viz.Feldwebel in the photograph? There are two or three possibilities to my mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave1418 Posted 26 December , 2018 Share Posted 26 December , 2018 2 hours ago, Cnock said: Prussian recruits An interesting mix of 1888 ammunition pouches, some dimkleblau, 1871 pattern brass hilt bayonets although the pickelhaubes look like the metal economy version of late war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 26 December , 2018 Share Posted 26 December , 2018 On 24/12/2018 at 18:57, trajan said: And now, for your enjoyment, a chappie from the Metzer Infanterie-Regiment Nr.98, the 33rd Inf.Division. On 24/12/2018 at 20:34, GreyC said: Apart from being a "chappie" he is also either a Sergeant or Vizefeldwebel. As there is no Portepee or Troddel on the photo, impossible to tell. GreyC 102 years to the day this was written - was für ein Zufall! Nobody any further ideas on this chappie? And GreyC, well-done on spotting that collar disc! I was thinking Unteroffizier of Faehnrich... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 26 December , 2018 Share Posted 26 December , 2018 On 24/12/2018 at 23:02, GreyC said: ... The 1. Ers. Btl. Inf Reg. 52 has nothing to do with Württemberg. Woops! How did I make that mistake? Thanks for correcting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 26 December , 2018 Share Posted 26 December , 2018 (edited) On 24/12/2018 at 23:52, JWK said: It's from Vize Feldwebel Fritz Schippel in some POW camp. "282 Western POW camp Park Hale Chivesley Compound W3 England"???? Here's his ICRC card, he's on list A 29242, "held in 37071" THE NOK address is in/near what is now Ozyorsk, Kaliningrad Oblast Oh, thanks JWK! I was working forwards and had not looked at new posts so missed this one of yours... Apologies But I now have the address and further details have posted on this above - it is POW camp 4, Park Hall, Osewestry. I gather that there were six camps in that area. Julian PS: Interesting to see that Sergei Viktorovich Skripal is from the same town... VERY unlikey, I known, but Schippel > Skrippal > Skripal??? Edited 26 December , 2018 by trajan add PS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 26 December , 2018 Share Posted 26 December , 2018 Cnock do please slow down! As the Prussian said we don't have a chance to view them properly and then comment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnock Posted 26 December , 2018 Share Posted 26 December , 2018 OK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 27 December , 2018 Share Posted 27 December , 2018 (edited) 17 hours ago, Cnock said: Flanders 1918, officers Alpenkorps after the fighting for the Kemmel Hello! What stands on the reverse, please? I don't see Alpenkorps badges, but Carapthian corps ones! 1st row far left I see guard-Litzen too. The carpathian-corps existed from july 1916 until december 1917. Since 1918 the both divisions were independent. 1.Inf.Div.: 1st Grenadiers, 3rd Grenadiers and 43rd Infantry 200.Inf.Div.: 3rd, 4th and 5th Jäger-Regiment The battle of Kemmel (april 1918) was fought by the 4th army with the following divisions: Alpenkorps, 3rd guard, 4th bavarian, 7th, 10th.Ersatz, 11th bavarian, 13rd Res., 17th Res., 19th Res., 22nd Res., 29th, 31st, 32nd, 36th Res., 49th Res., 52nd Res., 56th, 79th Res., 117th, 121st, 214th, 233rd. But: In august 1916 the 117.Inf.Div. belonged to the carpathian corps too, as well as the 10th bavarian Inf.Div. in september 1916. In october the 49th Res.Div. joined that corps too. So if the photo was taken at the Kemmel, the boys could serve with 49th Res. or 117th too. Can your read some shoulder straps please (especially the guards-man)? The guard-Litzen seem to be yellow - so it´ll be artillery Edited 27 December , 2018 by The Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 27 December , 2018 Share Posted 27 December , 2018 14 hours ago, trajan said: Hi Andy, Thanks for the help, and yes, I'll try and be better behaved also! The sender is Viz.Feldwebel Fritz SCHIPPEL, 282 Western(?) POW 4 Camp, Park Hall, Oswestry. Barack nr.8 is chalked on the stone. There is something on the camp here: http://www.trefonen.org/german-prisoner-of-war-camp.html and here https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01qmrmr Data on an archaeological survey here: http://search.shropshirehistory.org.uk/collections/getrecord/CCS_MSA33171/ Quite a lot of other stuff as well! Can you identify the Viz.Feldwebel in the photograph? There are two or three possibilities to my mind... Hi Julian! Unfortunately not. But I´d say, one of those NCOs with decorations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnock Posted 27 December , 2018 Share Posted 27 December , 2018 What stands on the reverse, please? I don't see Alpenkorps badges, but Carapthian corps ones! 1st row far left I see guard-Litzen too. The carpathian-corps existed from july 1916 until december 1917. Since 1918 the both divisions were independent. 1.Inf.Div.: 1st Grenadiers, 3rd Grenadiers and 43rd Infantry 200.Inf.Div.: 3rd, 4th and 5th Jäger-Regiment The battle of Kemmel (april 1918) was fought by the 4th army with the following divisions: Alpenkorps, 3rd guard, 4th bavarian, 7th, 10th.Ersatz, 11th bavarian, 13rd Res., 17th Res., 19th Res., 22nd Res., 29th, 31st, 32nd, 36th Res., 49th Res., 52nd Res., 56th, 79th Res., 117th, 121st, 214th, 233rd. But: In august 1916 the 117.Inf.Div. belonged to the carpathian corps too, as well as the 10th bavarian Inf.Div. in september 1916. In october the 49th Res.Div. joined that corps too. So if the photo was taken at the Kemmel, the boys could serve with 49th Res. or 117th too. Can your read some shoulder straps please (especially the guards-man)? The guard-Litzen seem to be yellow - so it´ll be artillery What stands on the reverse, please? I don't see Alpenkorps badges, but Carapthian corps ones! 1st row far left I see guard-Litzen too. The carpathian-corps existed from july 1916 until december 1917. Since 1918 the both divisions were independent. 1.Inf.Div.: 1st Grenadiers, 3rd Grenadiers and 43rd Infantry 200.Inf.Div.: 3rd, 4th and 5th Jäger-Regiment The battle of Kemmel (april 1918) was fought by the 4th army with the following divisions: Alpenkorps, 3rd guard, 4th bavarian, 7th, 10th.Ersatz, 11th bavarian, 13rd Res., 17th Res., 19th Res., 22nd Res., 29th, 31st, 32nd, 36th Res., 49th Res., 52nd Res., 56th, 79th Res., 117th, 121st, 214th, 233rd. But: In august 1916 the 117.Inf.Div. belonged to the carpathian corps too, as well as the 10th bavarian Inf.Div. in september 1916. In october the 49th Res.Div. joined that corps too. So if the photo was taken at the Kemmel, the boys could serve with 49th Res. or 117th too. Can your read some shoulder straps please (especially the guards-man)? The guard-Litzen seem to be yellow - so it´ll be artillery Hi, The reverse only mentions that the picture was taken in Flanders, 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 27 December , 2018 Share Posted 27 December , 2018 Ah, ok. I just wondered, why you talked about the Alpenkorps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 27 December , 2018 Share Posted 27 December , 2018 (edited) 23 hours ago, Cnock said: Flanders 1918, officers Alpenkorps after the fighting for the Kemmel 6 hours ago, The Prussian said: Hello! What stands on the reverse, please? I don't see Alpenkorps badges, but Carapthian corps ones! 1st row far left I see guard-Litzen too. The carpathian-corps existed from july 1916 until december 1917. Since 1918 the both divisions were independent. 1.Inf.Div.: 1st Grenadiers, 3rd Grenadiers and 43rd Infantry 200.Inf.Div.: 3rd, 4th and 5th Jäger-Regiment The battle of Kemmel (april 1918) was fought by the 4th army with the following divisions: Alpenkorps, 3rd guard, 4th bavarian, 7th, 10th.Ersatz, 11th bavarian, 13rd Res., 17th Res., 19th Res., 22nd Res., 29th, 31st, 32nd, 36th Res., 49th Res., 52nd Res., 56th, 79th Res., 117th, 121st, 214th, 233rd. But: In august 1916 the 117.Inf.Div. belonged to the carpathian corps too, as well as the 10th bavarian Inf.Div. in september 1916. In october the 49th Res.Div. joined that corps too. So if the photo was taken at the Kemmel, the boys could serve with 49th Res. or 117th too. Can your read some shoulder straps please (especially the guards-man)? The guard-Litzen seem to be yellow - so it´ll be artillery I reposted the original and Andy's comments so that we know where we are! Never seen so many Carpathian badges in one photograph! There is quite a mixture of hatbands there - does that not help in identiyfying this group? And the front row guys - one has leather-trimmed riding breeches (3rd from left) and four have riding boots - but I guess officers would wear these things anyway. Julian Edited 27 December , 2018 by trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 27 December , 2018 Share Posted 27 December , 2018 Hello Julian! The capbands might have different colours, but some of them wear a cover over the coloured capbands. Maybe the shoulder board of the guard man is visible??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 27 December , 2018 Share Posted 27 December , 2018 2 minutes ago, The Prussian said: Hello Julian! The capbands might have different colours, but some of them wear a cover over the coloured capbands. Maybe the shoulder board of the guard man is visible??? Have you noticed the way that Guardsman seems to be laughing at us poor souls trying to work out what unit he belonged to? But yes, litzen have that black look suggesting they are yellow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 27 December , 2018 Share Posted 27 December , 2018 Yes. He seems to be mean... I checked all possible divisions. No guard-artillery... Strange... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 27 December , 2018 Share Posted 27 December , 2018 (edited) But, because I am NOT mean, here is the artillery during the battle of Kemmel (from the book: "Kemmel, Sturm und Sterben um einen Berg", by Gustav Goes, 1932) Edited 27 December , 2018 by The Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cnock Posted 1 January , 2019 Share Posted 1 January , 2019 Reserve Artillerie Rgt nr.50, nothing written on the back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 1 January , 2019 Share Posted 1 January , 2019 Hi, the guy on horseback seems to be an Unteroffizier of a Feld Artillerie Regiment. The stamp seems to indicate from an Ersatz Abteilung. The soldiers below that photo are from Reserve FELD Artillerie Regiment 50. It is important to state the FELD as there is also always a possibiity it could be FUß-Artillerie, though (as far as I know) not with numbers for the Reserve Fußartillerie Regimenter with numbers above 20. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnock Posted 1 January , 2019 Share Posted 1 January , 2019 Hi Grey C, foto comes from a fotoalbum officer Reserve Feld Artillerie Rgt nr.50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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