neverforget Posted 2 August , 2018 Share Posted 2 August , 2018 15 minutes ago, Uncle George said: He looks a little like Botha in this image from Wikipedia. Botha also represented South Africa at the Peace Conference. But I can't really see Botha in Court Dress (or whatever that is). Or with that Order on his chest. So, almost certainly not him. You're right there certainly is a resemblance but it's not Botha. One thing that links my man to Smuts and Botha is South Africa, though one must remember that he was born in Germany. The peace conference is also another common factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 2 August , 2018 Share Posted 2 August , 2018 Not to mention their common membership of the War Cabinet. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 2 August , 2018 Share Posted 2 August , 2018 7 minutes ago, Ron Clifton said: Not to mention their common membership of the War Cabinet. Ron That narrowing down has certainly made it very easy now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 2 August , 2018 Share Posted 2 August , 2018 Lord Milner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 2 August , 2018 Share Posted 2 August , 2018 3 minutes ago, seaJane said: Lord Milner? Indeed so sJ. One of four fellow members of Lloyd George's war cabinet. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Milner,_1st_Viscount_Milner Picture from here: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Alfred-Milner-Viscount-Milner Did anyone twig the "hush hush" reference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 2 August , 2018 Share Posted 2 August , 2018 34 minutes ago, neverforget said: Did anyone twig the "hush hush" reference? A reference to his place among the Secret Elite. "Milner the mastermind; Milner the “Race Patriot”; Milner who commanded the loyalty of the senior ranks in the British Army; Milner who had given Lloyd George his support to lead the government; Milner whose acolytes controlled Lloyd George’s policy from their Downing Street offices; Milner, the man who personally bade farewell to the last Czar. A man so important to the creators of the new world order that his influence has been airbrushed from history. Had you previously heard of Alfred Milner? Was his name ever mentioned in the classroom or lecture hall when you were studying history? Has his place in all that happened been acknowledged by those who control the official commemorations for the First World War? No. It was he who had the steel to “disregard the screamers”, phrase he used in the 1890s to put steel into the resolve of wavering politicians. He urged his followers to hold out for the destruction of Germany. That was the whole point of the First World War. Victory was not enough." As to be found in this Tin Foil Hat theory, by some idiot somewhere: https://firstworldwarhiddenhistory.wordpress.com/category/secret-elite/alfred-milner/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 2 August , 2018 Share Posted 2 August , 2018 Nicely put. More than one idiot though I would suggest: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 2 August , 2018 Share Posted 2 August , 2018 "More than one idiot though I would suggest:" That's what he wants you to think. Open your eyes. David Icke was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 2 August , 2018 Share Posted 2 August , 2018 First came across Milner when I read John Buchan's autobiography, years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 2 August , 2018 Share Posted 2 August , 2018 22 minutes ago, Uncle George said: "More than one idiot though I would suggest:" That's what he wants you to think. Open your eyes. David Icke was right. I feel quite surprised, if not offended that you should think that I need to open my eyes. I don't believe in crackpot conspiracy theories either, I was merely pointing out that there was more than one idiot involved in the source that I found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 2 August , 2018 Share Posted 2 August , 2018 1 hour ago, neverforget said: I feel quite surprised, if not offended that you should think that I need to open my eyes. I don't believe in crackpot conspiracy theories either, I was merely pointing out that there was more than one idiot involved in the source that I found. Sorry nf - my sense of humour is not to everyone's taste. I hoped my reference to David Icke revealed that I was being ironic. Absolutely no offence was intended. But we must be on our guard. Their influence is everywhere. Everywhere. It is no coincidence that [and so on]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 2 August , 2018 Share Posted 2 August , 2018 Sorry U.G. It seems I took your comments the wrong way. For a minute there I thought that you were suggesting that I was from the David Icke school of delusion, and was quite aghast at the thought. I should have been alert enough to read between the lines. To return to the subject of Gerry Docherty, Jim Macgregor et al; I can't help but wonder if they really are crackpots, or just shrewd businessmen with a keen eye for an opening in the market. I felt the same when I read Sleepwalkers by Christopher Clarke, after I fell for all the hype about that particular book. I read it twice, just to make sure that, although I felt better informed about the Balkans etc, it really didn't affect my original view that Germany and Austro-Hungary were primarily to blame for igniting the blue touchpaper. Now I'm sounding like a conspiracy theorist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 2 August , 2018 Share Posted 2 August , 2018 2 hours ago, neverforget said: I felt the same when I read Sleepwalkers by Christopher Clarke, after I fell for all the hype about that particular book. I read it twice, just to make sure that, although I felt better informed about the Balkans etc, it really didn't affect my original view that Germany and Austro-Hungary were primarily to blame for igniting the blue touchpaper. I remember you saying that exact phrase over a pint of Bathams😁👍. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 2 August , 2018 Share Posted 2 August , 2018 Yes! Except after a pint (or was it two?) of Batham's I couldn't remember the title of the book, or the author come to that. I remember when I was on my first Batham's tour, a local said to me knowingly; "That Batham's has a sting in the tail." Sound advice. Sleepwalkers still holds the title for the most thoroughly researched and expertly presented bs I have come across so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 2 August , 2018 Share Posted 2 August , 2018 Wasn't Milner German? I am sure that he was the illegitimate brother of Kaiser Bill. I read it in "Magic Mushrooms, Martians and the Hidden Origins of the First World War" so it must be true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 3 August , 2018 Share Posted 3 August , 2018 Managed to "dig out" a picture of another gentleman who became a subject of Docherty and Macgregor's fantasies. In reality, he made significant impacts on the Western and Eastern fronts. The impacts to which I refer were both very specialised, but were different on each respective front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 3 August , 2018 Share Posted 3 August , 2018 (edited) No takers? Ok, another hint or two: Gunners, Empire, and Rolls Royce. Edited 3 August , 2018 by neverforget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 3 August , 2018 Share Posted 3 August , 2018 William Watson Armstrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 3 August , 2018 Share Posted 3 August , 2018 40 minutes ago, seaJane said: William Watson Armstrong? No, sJ. He raised a Great War regiment at his own expense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 3 August , 2018 Share Posted 3 August , 2018 Did he have a penchant for tunnelling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 3 August , 2018 Share Posted 3 August , 2018 4 minutes ago, Knotty said: Did he have a penchant for tunnelling? I think it is more probable that he would have used a shovel.😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 3 August , 2018 Share Posted 3 August , 2018 (edited) Lieutenant-Colonel Sir John Norton-Griffith’s, financed the the 2nd King Edward’s Horse, in 1915 formed the 170th Tunnelling Company in response to the German mining efforts. Sabotaged the Romanian oil fields in 1916, a good egg all round. After the war his construction company was involved with the Aswan Dam, albeit not successfully. However in 1930 whilst project managing the construction, his body was found floating near Alexandria, with a bullet wound to the head, suicide was the verdict........maybe? https://web.archive.org/web/20100501120136/http://www.remuseum.org.uk/biography/rem_bio_Norton-Griffiths.htm https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Norton-Griffiths Edited 3 August , 2018 by Knotty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 3 August , 2018 Share Posted 3 August , 2018 9 minutes ago, Knotty said: Lieutenant-Colonel Sir John Norton-Griffith’s, financed the the 2nd King Edward’s Horse, in 1915 formed the 170th Tunnelling Company in response to the German mining efforts. Sabotaged the Romanian oil fields in 1916, a good egg all round. After the war his construction company was involved with the Aswan Dam, albeit not successfully. However in 1930 whilst project managing the construction, his body was found floating near Alexandria, with a bullet wound to the head, suicide was the verdict........maybe? https://web.archive.org/web/20100501120136/http://www.remuseum.org.uk/biography/rem_bio_Norton-Griffiths.htm https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Norton-Griffiths One would have to ask the conspiracy theorists about that. Arsensal director, Empire Jack it is. Fully comprehensively answered too with links supplied so no need to duplicate them. Well done Knotty! P.S. I heard from Ghazala just now. He's not been too well, but has now returned to the fold, so good news there👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 3 August , 2018 Share Posted 3 August , 2018 and this chap? Not been up before- at some time a forerunner of Arfur Daley- that is, a London car dealer. And one of the youngest killers connected with the Great War Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 4 August , 2018 Share Posted 4 August , 2018 "Well, he sells the odd dodgy motor, it's not a crime! Well, yeah, it is a crime". Solve this one and as Arfur would say "the world is your lobster". Now where did I leave my manteau? Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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