Nepper Posted 31 July , 2018 Share Posted 31 July , 2018 And this chap? A much later photograph. Served in France as a Captain in the Great War and WazIristan just after. He was a firm believer in killing a wounded enemy and often wrote about the benefits of finishing an adversary off, preferably cleanly with a single shot to the head Is he the man who was one of Princess Elizabeth's hosts at Treetops the night she ascended to the throne? Naturalist and big game hunter Jim Corbett. I can't find anything about his army service other than he had one but I'm guessing your clue about finishing wounded enemies refers to the game he shot rather than humans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 31 July , 2018 Share Posted 31 July , 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Nepper said: Is he the man who was one of Princess Elizabeth's hosts at Treetops the night she ascended to the throne? Naturalist and big game hunter Jim Corbett. I can't find anything about his army service other than he had one but I'm guessing your clue about finishing wounded enemies refers to the game he shot rather than humans? Spot on- yes, Jim Corbett- not a big game hunter as such but famed for sorting out the man eaters (most of whom were wounded and in pain anyway-shots or porcuplne quills). So he was keen on making sure that wounded man eaters were trailed and finished off- or they would become more of a problem if in pain. He raised 500 or so Indian labourers and took them over to France during the Great War- Perhaps Lushai Labour Corps and he was a colonel for recruiting in the second. Yes, he was at Treetops in Feb 52-and thought to be the first to use the phrase about HM that she went up to the tree-house a Princess and came down a queen. he was also a noted conservationist in both India and in Kenya, the country he retired to in old age. Edited 31 July , 2018 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 31 July , 2018 Share Posted 31 July , 2018 A little pen portrait here. But who is he ? ? ? "They might have been the eyes of a man who had watched with sleepless though furtive vigilance all the great drama that was being unfolded in that astounding new House of Commons, or they might have been just beautiful and shallow eyes that concealed no depths, because there were no depths to conceal. He stood for a moment aloof and silent, and the eyes retained their strange look of sombreness; on his face was a look of supreme boredom and contempt." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 31 July , 2018 Share Posted 31 July , 2018 14 minutes ago, Uncle George said: A little pen portrait here. But who is he ? ? ? "They might have been the eyes of a man who had watched with sleepless though furtive vigilance all the great drama that was being unfolded in that astounding new House of Commons, or they might have been just beautiful and shallow eyes that concealed no depths, because there were no depths to conceal. He stood for a moment aloof and silent, and the eyes retained their strange look of sombreness; on his face was a look of supreme boredom and contempt." James Lowther? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 31 July , 2018 Share Posted 31 July , 2018 2 minutes ago, neverforget said: James Lowther? Not him. "He looked like a young man of fashion who had wandered into the House on his way back from Ascot ... He did not betray the slightest nervousness, but thrust his hands into his pockets and leaned with easy informality over the heads of the men in front of him. He surveyed the packed Liberal benches with sneering mouth and expression of profound distaste." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 31 July , 2018 Share Posted 31 July , 2018 5 minutes ago, Uncle George said: Not him. "He looked like a young man of fashion who had wandered into the House on his way back from Ascot ... He did not betray the slightest nervousness, but thrust his hands into his pockets and leaned with easy informality over the heads of the men in front of him. He surveyed the packed Liberal benches with sneering mouth and expression of profound distaste." Oswald Mosley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 31 July , 2018 Share Posted 31 July , 2018 1 minute ago, neverforget said: Oswald Mosley? No. Here he is: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 31 July , 2018 Share Posted 31 July , 2018 (edited) F.E.Smith making his maiden speech in the Commons, taken from a pen-portrait by Hutchins. The pic- Oxfordshire Hussars- like WSC? Edited 31 July , 2018 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 31 July , 2018 Share Posted 31 July , 2018 F.E.Smith making his maiden speech in the Commons, taken from a pen-portrait by Hutchins. The pic- Oxfordshire Hussars- like WSC? Effy making that celebrated speech - yes. First quote from T. P. O'Connor MP. Second quote from the text of his 1933 biography by his son. Photograph also from that biography: https://archive.org/stream/in.ernet.dli.2015.208101/2015.208101.Frederick-Edwin#page/n7/mode/2up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 31 July , 2018 Share Posted 31 July , 2018 Not a nice man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoppage Drill Posted 31 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 31 July , 2018 Effy served with the Indian Corps in France early in the war. He later (whilst Attorney-General) found himself under military arrest at St Omer, having been lifted whilst in the company of Churchill, W. He was interrogated by Macready, the BEF Adjutant General A bizarre episode. He used to use the toilets in the National Liberal Club during his daily walk between his chambers and Parliament. Eventually he was challenged by a club servant, and asked if he was a member. "Good God!" he said, "do you mean to tell me this place is a club? I think I witted him a couple of years ago with a photo of him in a railway carriage with WSC. Not such a bad cove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 31 July , 2018 Share Posted 31 July , 2018 And this chap? Only one clue with him (Yes, it is a him- none of this transgender/crossdressing nonsense) : He was very closely related to Goring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 31 July , 2018 Share Posted 31 July , 2018 He was very closely related to Goring ... ... and a dead-ringer for Teddy Roosevelt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 31 July , 2018 Share Posted 31 July , 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Uncle George said: ... and a dead-ringer for Teddy Roosevelt. Not Ted- Was he a close relation of Goring??????? Edited 31 July , 2018 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 1 August , 2018 Share Posted 1 August , 2018 I have looked at him for ages and I still think it’s a “younger” Count Ferdinand Von Zeppelin, I’m sure there was a family connection but it escapes me as what the relationship was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 1 August , 2018 Share Posted 1 August , 2018 2 hours ago, Knotty said: I have looked at him for ages and I still think it’s a “younger” Count Ferdinand Von Zeppelin, I’m sure there was a family connection but it escapes me as what the relationship was. Alas No- our man was not German. All I can say is that you won't like the Goring connection one little bit. I have arranged for extra life insurance and armed police protection as a safeguard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 1 August , 2018 Share Posted 1 August , 2018 Our man was at the Paris Peace Conference in an official role. He was demoted in military rank during the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Reeves Posted 1 August , 2018 Share Posted 1 August , 2018 (edited) The US General Tasker Howard Bliss 1853-1930. His son was Lt Colonel Edgar Goring Bliss 1892-1972. TR Edited 1 August , 2018 by Terry_Reeves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 1 August , 2018 Share Posted 1 August , 2018 Another attendee at the Paris Peace Conference here. He has another thing in common with #10685: he wasn't German. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 1 August , 2018 Share Posted 1 August , 2018 Another clue: he studied at the same college as Charles Darwin. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 1 August , 2018 Share Posted 1 August , 2018 (edited) Thanks for the clue Ron, a bit of checking around and it turns out that it is a very young Jan Smuts (Christ’s College Cambridge) that UG has submitted. Edited 1 August , 2018 by Knotty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 1 August , 2018 Share Posted 1 August , 2018 27 minutes ago, Knotty said: Thanks for the clue Ron, a bit of checking around and it turns out that it is a very young Jan Smuts (Christ’s College Cambridge) that UG has submitted. Yes indeed. Here's an assessment of Smuts at the Conference by, er, his son. (Photograph and quote from here: https://archive.org/stream/JcSmuts/SmutsJC#page/n0) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 1 August , 2018 Share Posted 1 August , 2018 8 hours ago, Terry_Reeves said: The US General Tasker Howard Bliss 1853-1930. His son was Lt Colonel Edgar Goring Bliss 1892-1972. TR Well spotted Terry- I thought is was a good red herring- Saves me having to quote Wordsworth on the French Revolution- "Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive......" etc Yes, his son had the middle name Goring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 2 August , 2018 Share Posted 2 August , 2018 (edited) Following on from U.G.'s Smuts; this German chap had two things that were in common with Smuts, and one that was completely the opposite. Why so hush hush??? Edited 2 August , 2018 by neverforget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 2 August , 2018 Share Posted 2 August , 2018 He looks a little like Botha in this image from Wikipedia. Botha also represented South Africa at the Peace Conference. But I can't really see Botha in Court Dress (or whatever that is). Or with that Order on his chest. So, almost certainly not him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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