trajan Posted 16 September , 2017 Author Share Posted 16 September , 2017 50 minutes ago, The Prussian said: Hello Julian! There were no Landwehr-Infanterie-Ersatz-Bataillone... I could recommend: Ersatz-Bataillon/Landwehr-Inf.Rgt.Nr.16 (mobile between august 1914 and june 1916) Thanks Andy, that certainly sounds better... So, a wild guess on my part and one I cannot blame on my Wurstfinger - Samstag, nachmittag, vielleicht gehirn ficken...!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 16 September , 2017 Share Posted 16 September , 2017 Ah, you read the Wursfinger thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 16 September , 2017 Author Share Posted 16 September , 2017 8 minutes ago, The Prussian said: Ah, you read the Wursfinger thread... Naturlich, arkadasim! And tonight, or tomorrow, in celebration of this exchange, I will open a pack of Nurnberger wurstchen for my dinner - leaving only four packets left of the six I bought in MUC on my way back from England! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 16 September , 2017 Share Posted 16 September , 2017 Nürnberger are nice, but no comparison to the national-food of my area. "Currywurst-Pommes-Majo" (sausage with curry, fries and mayonaise). It will be eaten in stores like this (Bergbau-Grill = Mining grill station) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 17 September , 2017 Author Share Posted 17 September , 2017 21 hours ago, The Prussian said: ... "Currywurst-Pommes-Majo" ... eaten in stores like this (Bergbau-Grill = Mining grill station) Ah... brings back fond memories of my time in Hannover and visits to other top gourmet centres in Germany... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 17 September , 2017 Share Posted 17 September , 2017 ...like my area of the Ruhr... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amberg Posted 17 September , 2017 Share Posted 17 September , 2017 Hello, a somewhat unusual Bavarian Artillerie Seitengewehr 92. Unusual, because the bayonet itself does not bear any markings, but a "1." on the crossguard, and the scabbard bears a unit stamp that I could not decode so far. Any ideas concerning the unit stamp? (Bavarian) 12th Reserve Infantry Regiment, but what is "L.L."? Thanks Wolfgang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 21 September , 2017 Share Posted 21 September , 2017 (edited) Hello Wolfgang! In the book from Wacker/Görtz is a bavarian stamp from 1882 (page 109): 3.R.R.L.A.3.68 That means: Landwehr-Bataillon Augsburg, 3.Komp., Gun N°68 Probably yours is Landwehr-Bataillon L (Landshut, Landsberg etc.) Edited 21 September , 2017 by The Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawdoc34 Posted 22 September , 2017 Share Posted 22 September , 2017 Hi Julian, Always been around mate, just lurking in the shadows but now that I can post pics from the new phone without ha ing to go thru the hassle of resizing, then got some new additions to show you pal 😊 Hope all is fine in Turkey & tourism picking up again to boost your bayonet funds😉 Post any of my pics anywhere you want Julian, you don't need to ask my permission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawdoc34 Posted 22 September , 2017 Share Posted 22 September , 2017 A quite nice 1871/84 ☺ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 22 September , 2017 Author Share Posted 22 September , 2017 On 9/17/2017 at 19:24, Amberg said: ...Bavarian Artillerie Seitengewehr 92. ... On 9/21/2017 at 06:07, The Prussian said: ... In the book from Wacker/Görtz is a bavarian stamp from 1882 (page 109): 3.R.R.L.A.3.68 That means: Landwehr-Bataillon Augsburg, 3.Komp., Gun N°68 Probably yours is Landwehr-Bataillon L (Landshut, Landsberg etc.) ... A quick reply - SWMBO wants to vacuum-clean my study area... nice looking piece - with an original scabbard!!! Rare!! So, what do we have - '12.R.R.L.L.1.57'... The Bavarian regulations had a mind of their own to adapt the Prussian = Imperial regulations to their own units. BUT, this marking has to conform in its principal details to what was expected for a weapon produced after 1892. So, I don't see why Wacker/Görtz give that explanation. To me, it should be a marking following on from the 1877 or 1909, , R = Reserve and L = Landsturm/Landwehr, but with A = Augsburg, and so in this case, the 12.R.R.L.L.1.57' is perhaps 12 Reserve Landwehr Regiment, Landshut, and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 22 September , 2017 Share Posted 22 September , 2017 Hello Julian! The Landwehr-Bezirk Landshut only had the 6th Lancdwehr-Bataillon. There were no Reserve-Landwehr-units in Bavaria... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 22 September , 2017 Author Share Posted 22 September , 2017 Thanks Andy - I am doing a lot of catching up (a week's worth!). So, look for another explanation... I don't have one of these things - what else apart from a Bavarian M.92 would that scabbard fit? In other words, is the scabbard for a Prussian yataghan-type bayonet? Amberg - what are the scabbard dimensions? Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 22 September , 2017 Author Share Posted 22 September , 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, sawdoc34 said: ... Always been around mate, just lurking in the shadows but now that I can post pics from the new phone without ha ing to go thru the hassle of resizing, then got some new additions to show you pal 😊 Hope all is fine in Turkey & tourism picking up again to boost your bayonet funds😉 8 hours ago, sawdoc34 said: A quite nice 1871/84 ☺ Really good to see you back again marrer! Yes, shadows are sometimes the best places - and our mate down under seems to be lurking thereabouts also a lot these days! But as usual you are finding nice things and yes, isn't the new system for posting photographs so much easier! This one really is a nice piece - scabbard, frog, and all. I continue to be surprised as to how many of these ones survive, and were not cut down, loosing their muzzle ring and having their hilts changed around... I have over 250 unit-marked examples of these in my records! AR/87 is for Saxony - and I am thinking that the unit mark - '15.J.R.80' - is for the 15 Jaeger Bataillon Recruiting Depot but I need to check - got to dash now as kids back from footie classes (one is for Besiktas, t'other is Fenerbahce!) PS: No, Tourism still down and bayonet funds at the bare minimum... Edited 22 September , 2017 by trajan Add PS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawdoc34 Posted 22 September , 2017 Share Posted 22 September , 2017 Cheers for that Julian, these German markings are double dutch to me mate.....have just got a nice Bavarian one this week, will get some pics tomorrow bud😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawdoc34 Posted 23 September , 2017 Share Posted 23 September , 2017 (edited) Coppell made Bavarian 71/84, came with a nicer Prussian scabbard but thought this Bavarian marked one would be more correct Edited 23 September , 2017 by sawdoc34 Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 23 September , 2017 Share Posted 23 September , 2017 Hello! I assume: B.3.R.E.4.12. = bavarian Ersatz-Bataillon, 3rd Inf.Rgt., 4th comp., rifle 12 B.11.R.6.13 = bavarian 11th Res.Rgt., 6th comp., rifle 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawdoc34 Posted 23 September , 2017 Share Posted 23 September , 2017 Cheers Prussian, info much appreciated mate 😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 24 September , 2017 Author Share Posted 24 September , 2017 On 9/23/2017 at 12:07, sawdoc34 said: Coppell made Bavarian 71/84, came with a nicer Prussian scabbard but thought this Bavarian marked one would be more correct On 9/23/2017 at 12:25, The Prussian said: Hello! I assume: B.3.R.E.4.12. = bavarian Ersatz-Bataillon, 3rd Inf.Rgt., 4th comp., rifle 12 B.11.R.6.13 = bavarian 11th Res.Rgt., 6th comp., rifle 13 Another nice one! Carter records a: B.3.R.E.3.231. S.71/84 nAmS WKC L/91 (Carter 2 p.28) And Williams has a: B.11.R.8.241 S.71/84 mS SOEMMERDA L/91 (Williams 1 p.323) So, good company there! Intersting but perhaps not significant that yours without a sawback is an '88 and the two sawbacked ones are both '91... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Haselgrove Posted 27 September , 2017 Share Posted 27 September , 2017 Dear All, Here's one I acquired recently. The marking is 8.P.4.39. At page 20 Vol.I. Carter records a similar example made by Erfurt in 1906 marked 8.P.4.61. Note the photo showing the lack of a false edge. I'm not sure whether the scabbard is marked as the frog has shrunk and I dare not attempt to move it. Michael. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 28 September , 2017 Author Share Posted 28 September , 2017 On 9/27/2017 at 12:12, Michael Haselgrove said: Dear All, Here's one I acquired recently. The marking is 8.P.4.39. At page 20 Vol.I. Carter records a similar example made by Erfurt in 1906 marked 8.P.4.61. Note the photo showing the lack of a false edge. I'm not sure whether the scabbard is marked as the frog has shrunk and I dare not attempt to move it. Michael. Michael, What a beauty! And so 8.P.4.61 for 1. Rheinisches Pionier-Bataillon Nr. 8, 4.Kompagnie, Waffe 61. The scabbard and frog certainly look period and could well be original to this one - do the frakturs on the chape and locket match the bayonet? The troddel is also excellent - but what are the colours? They look (from the top) red Schieber, Stengel, and Kranz... I have no knowledge whatsoever of troddel markings amongst Pionier units... BUT in infantry units - as you probably know - I think that would be 2.Bataillon, 6.Kompagnie ... For others, if I recall correctly (and if I don't recall correctly, no doubt Andy or GreyC or others will correct me!), then troddel colours go: "Wir Rauchen Gerne (Brasil)" = Weiß, Rot, Gelb (Blau). This gives the batallion and company sequence. All white = 1st batallion, 1st company; white over red, = 1st batallion, 2nd company; white over yellow, and white over blue = 1st batallion, 3rd and 4th company; red over white = 2nd batallion, 5th company; red over red = 2nd battalion, 6th company; red over yellow, and red over blue = 2nd batallion, 7th and 8th company; and so on until yellow over blue = 3rd batallion, 12th company - with blue over white being for the extra 13th company - MGK - when these were added. Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 29 September , 2017 Share Posted 29 September , 2017 Hello Julian! You´re absolutely right with the Troddeln. I now the phrase "Wir rauchen gerne", I didn´t know "Brasil", I knew "billig (cheap), but it´s the same meaning. Well, the Pionier-Troddel is, as you said, 6th company. Here is a little help: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 29 September , 2017 Author Share Posted 29 September , 2017 8 hours ago, The Prussian said: ... You´re absolutely right with the Troddeln. I now the phrase "Wir rauchen gerne", I didn´t know "Brasil", I knew "billig (cheap), but it´s the same meaning. ... Hi Andy, Thanks for confirming - but I do like the 'Bilig version'! Reminds me of the days when I used to buy Roth-Händle... Can't remember now though if they were cheaper than HB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 29 September , 2017 Share Posted 29 September , 2017 Hi trajan, not necessarily cheaper - but the ones without filter much more deadly. Notorious among German smokers. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 29 September , 2017 Author Share Posted 29 September , 2017 Yes, vague memories of Husten during my year of being a long-haired and bearded Wader look-a-like on the Hannover quay....!!! But, back on topic! Troddels are fun! I have never seen a German one over here, but I enjoy seeing them in period photographs, and using them as a means of tying down those details such as individual companies. In which case, have a look at: http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/topic/253838-help-readinginterpreting-wwi-postcard-from-german-soldier/?tab=comments#comment-2568271 and posts 10 and following... Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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