Grovetown Posted 3 November , 2013 Share Posted 3 November , 2013 Interesting picture from a kit point of view - the Warrant Officer handing out the grenades appears to have a private purchase SD jacket, with a false belted section, V-cuffs and lower bellow pockets. Andrew FYI: he's RSM, 11th Royal Scots, seemingly between March and July 1918. Cheers, GT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom W. Posted 3 November , 2013 Share Posted 3 November , 2013 What a great photo. 1. "Please, sir! Can't I have some? Pretty please?" 2. "Oh, for-- Can you at least let me finish shaving first?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Upton Posted 4 November , 2013 Share Posted 4 November , 2013 FYI: he's RSM, 11th Royal Scots, seemingly between March and July 1918. Thanks GT. I am sure that if the type of WO's jacket shown in the black and white photograph, which is almost like an officer's jacket from the collar down, appeared today almost 100 year later, many would question its authenticity due to it being somewhat unusual. Hence the historical, and authentication value of these photographs. In a slightly ironic twist, there is a very nice original issue SD jacket on display in the RE museum that has been professionally converted to cuff rank during it's life. Possibly a Simplified jacket originally, as it has has no rifle patches and what appears to be the larger pockets (the pleats may have been added): http://postimg.org/image/zch53tdjn/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 4 November , 2013 Author Share Posted 4 November , 2013 In a slightly ironic twist, there is a very nice original issue SD jacket on display in the RE museum that has been professionally converted to cuff rank during it's life. Possibly a Simplified jacket originally, as it has has no rifle patches and what appears to be the larger pockets (the pleats may have been added): Andrew, The jacket looks very similar indeed, and what a strange version of a Major's cuff rank jacket. However, in out of the way places and with the drastic shortages of kit, who knows what had to be done to keep everyone in uniform. Anyway, it is nice to see the photographic evidence of such jackets existing in the field. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auchonvillerssomme Posted 4 November , 2013 Share Posted 4 November , 2013 Just as a diversion from Mills, I have dragged these out, all empty including fuzes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 4 November , 2013 Share Posted 4 November , 2013 Always nice to see MIck. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 4 November , 2013 Author Share Posted 4 November , 2013 Just as a diversion from Mills, I have dragged these out, all empty including fuzes. I deliberately changed the name of this Thread in the hope of seeing a lot more grenades in addition to the Mills, do you have their details ? Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auchonvillerssomme Posted 4 November , 2013 Share Posted 4 November , 2013 I was going to start to give the details but then I remembered this site, quite informative. http://www.passioncompassion1418.com/decouvertes/english_grenades_all.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auchonvillerssomme Posted 4 November , 2013 Share Posted 4 November , 2013 I will dig out the 1915 Kugel and stick grenade later. This wasn't one of them, but the only place I have found the Diskushandgranate M1915 in any numbers was in a collapsed trench at Roclincourt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 4 November , 2013 Share Posted 4 November , 2013 Left - German Discus grenade 1915, Middle German egg Grenade 1917 igniter, right 1913 Kugel with 1913 Igniter. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auchonvillerssomme Posted 4 November , 2013 Share Posted 4 November , 2013 Stielhandgranate M 1916 and another egg I had forgotten. Very difficult to find stick grenades in decent condition, I did some repairs to the stick on this one. I have mislaid one M1915 Kugel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auchonvillerssomme Posted 4 November , 2013 Share Posted 4 November , 2013 Heres a couple of cut downs, French F1 with 2 fuzes and fuze cover. Plus an evocative little group of the porcelain pulls from the stick grenades most found in the same place, I imagine he was one busy soldier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 4 November , 2013 Share Posted 4 November , 2013 Rifle Grenade quiz. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 4 November , 2013 Share Posted 4 November , 2013 Handing out Mills grenades prior to setting off on a Trench Raid. LF I've read about a few trench raids. I've never heard of one starting from a brick barn far behind the front line. Looks like another posed propaganda photo. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 4 November , 2013 Share Posted 4 November , 2013 It could be a general distribution before going to the front line. The man in the shaving cream does however undermine the state of readiness. Nice image, but look at the evidence and it weakens considerably. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovetown Posted 4 November , 2013 Share Posted 4 November , 2013 There are sister images to this: one showing the men depositing personal items - wallets, paybooks etc etc - into a sack as shown in the picture. The raid was apparently abandoned just prior to launch owing to the death of its leader, probably one Lieutenant Cavanagh. The muster point was ostensibly the village of Meteren, so the brick buildings are not out of the way. Cheers, GT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 4 November , 2013 Author Share Posted 4 November , 2013 There are sister images to this: one showing the men depositing personal items - wallets, paybooks etc etc - into a sack as shown in the picture. GT. GT, Yes, you are right. I had previously posted those images back in post # 28, and did not connect them with that new photograph until you pointed them out, many thanks. Here they are again. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovetown Posted 4 November , 2013 Share Posted 4 November , 2013 I've read about a few trench raids. I've never heard of one starting from a brick barn far behind the front line. Looks like another posed propaganda photo. John Same village, seven days later. This not the most propagandistic shot ever. Cheers, GT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 4 November , 2013 Author Share Posted 4 November , 2013 Rifle Grenade quiz. John From top to bottom :- No.24 Mk.II - No.35 Mk.I - No.24 Mk.I - No.3 - No.23 Mk.II LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 4 November , 2013 Author Share Posted 4 November , 2013 Same village, seven days later. This not the most propagandistic shot ever. Cheers, GT. GT, The dead soldiers, could have been in those same photographs in post # 418. LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovetown Posted 4 November , 2013 Share Posted 4 November , 2013 They're not the same troops. The casualty image refers to an attack by the 2nd Bn, SA Bde, 9th Div, with the corpse collectors being RSF. The 14 ptn makes the bodies 2nd RSF, as I have never seen SA troops in it. The raiders are RS. Cheers, GT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovetown Posted 4 November , 2013 Share Posted 4 November , 2013 Same village, seven days later. This not the most propagandistic shot ever. Cheers, GT. Last hijack of the thread: note the brigade insignia of the 9th Division - to whit the bands painted around the RSF's Brodie shells. Herewith an example seemingly from 8th RH of the 26th Bde, 9th Div. Also note the red cloth arc on the shoulders of the 11th RS troops in the bomb distribution 'propaganda' image at Post #398 and #403. Cheers, GT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 4 November , 2013 Author Share Posted 4 November , 2013 Last hijack of the thread: note the brigade insignia of the 9th Division - to whit the bands painted around the RSF's Brodie shells. Herewith an example seemingly from 8th RH of the 26th Bde, 9th Div. Also note the red cloth arc on the shoulders of the 11th RS troops in the bomb distribution 'propaganda' image at Post #398 and #403. Cheers, GT. GT, I am sure nobody considers such excellent detailed information a hijack, it certainly adds to the quality of the Thread. In fact, I was going to ask you about the white helmet bands. Appreciate the detailed and very interesting information. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 5 November , 2013 Share Posted 5 November , 2013 From top to bottom :- No.24 Mk.II - No.35 Mk.I - No.24 Mk.I - No.3 - No.23 Mk.II LF No 35 Mk I, No 24 Mk II, No 24 Mk 1, No 3/20 Hybrid, and No 23 Mk 1. I was actually sold the 24 MkII in France and it was labelled No 35. A rare grenade, only used for a matter of weeks. Nearly right LF. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 5 November , 2013 Author Share Posted 5 November , 2013 I was actually sold the 24 MkII in France and it was labelled No 35. A rare grenade, only used for a matter of weeks. Nearly right LF. John John, I also, had those two the other way around. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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