auchonvillerssomme Posted 14 November , 2013 Share Posted 14 November , 2013 So how are they disrupted, are they complete, twisted, presumably the threads are stripped. I can't imagine a relatively thin piece of brass escaping unscathed. There are plenty in the field opposite white city but they have been complete with screw threads and undamaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnock Posted 14 November , 2013 Share Posted 14 November , 2013 Uploaded with ImageShack.us Ypres Salient Hale and Newton Cnock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon127 Posted 14 November , 2013 Share Posted 14 November , 2013 Uploaded with ImageShack.us A couple of battlefield found Mills base plugs. The LHS one appears to have taken a bit of a kicking from the blast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnock Posted 14 November , 2013 Share Posted 14 November , 2013 Uploaded with ImageShack.us Ypres Salient, British rifle grenades Cnock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnock Posted 14 November , 2013 Share Posted 14 November , 2013 Uploaded with ImageShack.us Ball grenade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnock Posted 14 November , 2013 Share Posted 14 November , 2013 Uploaded with ImageShack.us German hand gernades and french citron grenade Cnock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnock Posted 14 November , 2013 Share Posted 14 November , 2013 Uploaded with ImageShack.us German rifle grenade and fuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calibre792x57.y Posted 14 November , 2013 Share Posted 14 November , 2013 GB.- I concur over the photo in Landers book. In the example shown it is much more likely that the detonator functioned but the train then failed and the main charge did not detonate, most often due to damp penetrating the interior - always a problem with Mills given poor storage conditions.. The most usual charge was ammonal which is hygroscopic and desensitises as its water content increases. As for the remainder of your post I rather think we must assume a considerable degree of professional expertise on the part of the author of the critique as he was writing it on behalf of the Munitions Design Committee. - SW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 14 November , 2013 Author Share Posted 14 November , 2013 Cnock, An excellent and very interesting collection, thanks for sharing. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 14 November , 2013 Author Share Posted 14 November , 2013 A drawing showing a pitched battle between South Africa and German troops, in which, one of the South African soldiers is throwing what looks like a German stick grenade, back at the Germans. LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 15 November , 2013 Author Share Posted 15 November , 2013 Captured German equipment, including large quantities of their stick grenades. LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnock Posted 15 November , 2013 Share Posted 15 November , 2013 Uploaded with ImageShack.us first two are exercise grenades Cnock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 15 November , 2013 Author Share Posted 15 November , 2013 Diagram for a German Stick Grenade taken from Major Graham Ainslie's 1917 ' Hand Grenade Book '. LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon127 Posted 16 November , 2013 Share Posted 16 November , 2013 Further to our discussions surrounding the respective blast/killing power of stick grenades and Mills bombs, I though these links might be of interest. From the the Australian War Memorial, these images show German stick grenades (presumably M1917s given the date of the photos) at the point of detonation. Fragmentation or no, I wouldn't want to be anywhere nearby! http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/E05274/ http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/E05275/ http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/E05276/ http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/E05277/ S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calibre792x57.y Posted 16 November , 2013 Share Posted 16 November , 2013 Something like this, L.F ? SW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 16 November , 2013 Author Share Posted 16 November , 2013 Something like this, L.F ? SW Exactly, SW. LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 30 November , 2013 Author Share Posted 30 November , 2013 Here is another Mills Grenade from my Collection, a 1917 No.36 Mk.I, which at some point in time, has been painted all over white to indicate it being a ' Practice ' grenade. The base plug is marked ' No.36 MI ' is date marked ' 10 17 ' for October 1917, and has the maker's mark of ' M.F ' The grenade is empty, and all the parts are removable. LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchtrotter Posted 11 December , 2013 Share Posted 11 December , 2013 On the subject of No 36's anyone know which maker marked their bodies JP and S? Did they make WW1 grenades or just WW2? Also did the maker of the body always supply the plug or did different makers marry them up? Thanks TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 11 December , 2013 Author Share Posted 11 December , 2013 On the subject of No 36's anyone know which maker marked their bodies JP and S? Did they make WW1 grenades or just WW2? Also did the maker of the body always supply the plug or did different makers marry them up? TT TT, There is some uncertainty as to that particular set of marks, as there were certainly WW1 dated No.36 Mills Grenade bodies made by maker ' JP and S ' ( 2 examples 1917 and 1918 attached ), these are attributed to either Josiah Parkes and Sons, or Joseph Parks and Sons or Joseph Parkes and Sons, all shown as being from Willenhall, Staff. There were also base plugs for both the Mills No. 23 and No. 36 with the Maker Mark of ' JP and S ', these are attributed to Joseph Parkes and Sons. Ltd. again from Willenhall, Staffs. Perhaps these are all just variations of the same name, or family members ( Josiah and Joseph ) all making parts for the Mills Grenades in Willenhall. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchtrotter Posted 11 December , 2013 Share Posted 11 December , 2013 Hmmmm.... The one I am interested in has JP & S in one segment. as follows JP & S albeit centered. No date on body but plug from different manufacturer is dated 10/17. Is the body likley to be WW2? TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 11 December , 2013 Author Share Posted 11 December , 2013 Hmmmm.... The one I am interested in has JP & S in one segment. as follows JP & S albeit centered. No date on body but plug from different manufacturer is dated 10/17. Is the body likley to be WW2? TT TT, That is the WW2 period stamping on a No.36 Mills Grenade body attributed to Josiah Parkes and Sons of Willenhall ( photo attached ). Not every manufacturer of the grenade body made the base plugs, and not every maker of base plugs made grenade bodies, so you can often see grenade plugs and bodies that do not match to the same maker. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchtrotter Posted 12 December , 2013 Share Posted 12 December , 2013 LF, Many thanks for your help TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulfrik-the-wanderer Posted 13 December , 2013 Share Posted 13 December , 2013 A drawing showing a pitched battle between South Africa and German troops, in which, one of the South African soldiers is throwing what looks like a German stick grenade, back at the Germans. LF comes from the war illustrated? I have that copy ha ha. I noted that oddity as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calibre792x57.y Posted 14 December , 2013 Share Posted 14 December , 2013 Trained grenadiers were given instruction on the use of enemy grenades so they could utilise any which came to hand to eke out their own supplies. -SW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auchonvillerssomme Posted 16 December , 2013 Share Posted 16 December , 2013 Had another dig around the workshop and re-discovered this one. No34 Mk3 Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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